Pirates Defeat Cardinals On Garrett Jones' 11th-Inning Homer
Garrett Jones' homer leading off the 11th inning sealed the Pirates' 58th win of the season, giving them more wins in mid-August than they had all of last season.
The Bucs jumped out to a 3-1 lead with an Andrew McCutchen three-run homer in the third, and that lead looked safe for awhile, as Jeff Karstens moved through the Cardinals' order fairly quietly. He hit a wall in the sixth, though, giving up a solo homer to Albert Pujols, walking Lance Berkman and allowing an RBI double to David Freese. So Clint Hurdle brought in Jason Grilli, which I groaned about but which was probably defensible given how early in the game it was, and Grilli did manage to get two outs against the bottom of the order.
Joel Hanrahan came on in a tie game in the top of the ninth (!) and allowed a double and a sacrifice fly to make it 4-3, but Neil Walker's solo homer in the bottom of the inning tied it. McCutchen made an excellent running catch on a ball hit to the gap by Albert Pujols to end the 11th, and Jones' homer over the right field wall ended it shortly thereafter.
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good win
i must admit i was a bit nervous when it went to extras with meals behind the plate. But GFJ didnt give him a chance to blow it.
What can you say about GFJ? currently he is our second best hitter. I think he is putting himself into the conversation for another starting/platoon role for next year at 1st base. I really hope he can keep it up.
second best?
to who? the guy has been on an absolute tear for the better part of the last two weeks or so. walker has not been good recently and cutch at times has struggled. ludwick has been ok, cedeno has been hit or miss. fort has been fort , lee has been out of the line up, and then theres the hole at third.
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 17, 2011 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions
that doesnt make him a good hitter, that makes him good for a couple weeks, nothing more...
i would rather see Alvarez or even Hague full time out of spring training than a platoon at 1B
thats not the arguement im making
the one im making is that over the past two weeks we havent had a better bat in the lineup. GJ is a streaky dude. ride that pony till hits hoofs fall off.
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 17, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Streaky or not
He’s got a wRC+ of 114. That puts him right in the midst of Carlos Pena, Mitch Moreland, Carlos Santana, and Gaby Sanchez (and not far behind Ryan Howard). That’s some decent company for a league minimum guy (or is he arb-eligible in ’12?). Furthermore, UZR says his 1B defense has actually been above average this year (has he simply been fortunate not to have 3-6-3s to turn, or has he learned to play them?), which means that Garrett Jones is a league-average 1B, or a bit better.
Now, he still can’t play against lefties, but I think we can live with that. He’s produced the way he has with 54 PAs against lefties, in which he’s been awful, so that means that he can be a pretty good offensive weapon even with occasional exposure to lefties – Clint doesn’t need to pull him the moment a lefty appears in order to preserve overall decent numbers.
All that said, I’m fine with moving Pedro and would be open to Hague; I just don’t think we should preemptively write off GFJ.
Just a reminder on league average
League average players are worth ~2.5 WAR/season. If you get that from your 8 regulars and 5 SPs, you’re at 78 wins or so; throw in a few wins from the bench and the ‘pen, and you’re at 81 wins – which is what you’d expect from a team of league-average players, right?
Now, add in just a couple All-Stars – say, a CF worth 7.5 WAR and a young slugger finally producing – and now you’re approaching 90 wins, all with mostly average players.
Which isn’t to argue for standing pat, or for not looking to upgrade weak positions. It’s just to remind people that league average players are pretty valuable to have, and that, given Cutch’s All-Star performance and Pedro’s All-Star potential, we don’t need to track down a bunch of 5 WAR guys.
by JRoth95 on Aug 17, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
league average players are pretty valuable to have
This is a very good point that needs to be emphasized, because people tend to think of “average” as “not very good”
Especially when said league average player...
is in his first full season in the majors. I don’t know why it is that so many fans don’t expect the young guys to keep getting better.
#FreeJoelHanrahan!
#AndAlltheBuntsAreStillBad!
No we should not write him off
Take his offensive production out of the mix, and you have some ugly numbers for this team. Consider this for a moment: he has more than 100 fewer at bats than Walker, and yet he has more doubles, more home runs, almost exactly the same number of walks, a higher slugging percentage, and a higher OPS. His OPS+ ranks him, as JRoth says, with the second tier of 1Bmen (the cohort that is behind Fielder, Pujols, Votto, Freeman, Howard, Teixeira and Gonzalez, and a couple of others). Now, stack his salary against the Penas, the Morelands, the Sanchezes and others, and tell me he is not one of the best transactions Huntington has made, ever.
"Throw strikes, but don't give him anything good to hit."
by RichieHebner on Aug 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
if jones can finish strong
i see him as the starting 1b next season, provided the rosters stay the same and no one of any real value is added at 1st, which i believe is a real possiblity. Hague should make the team out of spring and be given a shot, and a chance to start if jones fails. if you look at the stats Jones has been our second best hitter this season, hard to believe i know, but he has a OPS of .777 in almost 400 AB. Not great, but offense has been bad, really bad which you all know.
by bbautista24 on Aug 17, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That's great
But neither Hurdle nor any of us cares what you’d rather. Your bias against the guy has become a tiresome drumbeat, and nobody’s listening any longer. At this point, you’re simply baiting people.
"Throw strikes, but don't give him anything good to hit."
by RichieHebner on Aug 17, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry--that reply was directed to white angus above, not you bbautista
"Throw strikes, but don't give him anything good to hit."
by RichieHebner on Aug 17, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say listening
Just reacting, and done with that too. Responding to your rants has become a time consuming chore.
"Throw strikes, but don't give him anything good to hit."
by RichieHebner on Aug 18, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
i consider cutch the best hitter on the team, reguardless of slumps.
Cutch is that good.
by bbautista24 on Aug 17, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
My
daughter and I went down to PNC yesterday to watch the bucco win…. At the end of the game, Jerry Meals came up to her and handed her a game ball. Very nice guy, but when he left my daughter laughed and said, “Well, that is the least he can do!”…
Also, my youngest got an autograph from Neil Walker right before the the game started. He was running towards the dugout and she yelled his name, you could tell he wanted to get into the dug out, but he paused and took two steps back to sign autographs. It made her night—— What a pro!
by JSteelers86 on Aug 17, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
sit out the last two games on the game thread
two wins…..ok i think i get the hint…… /sadface
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 17, 2011 6:07 AM EDT reply actions
You gotta be willing to make sacrifices...
…and we appreciate your devotion to the team.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Aug 17, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
you will be missed, hockey.
R. I. P. (ROOT In Peace)
Catch
The catch by Cutch off Pujols is a really a thing of beauty. Pujols reaction is funny too. The Jones bomb is majestic and just hammered. Also in the highlights is a Cutch 3 run HR where NH is being interviewed about the draft and joined mid sentence talking about Bell (unnamed). Here is a link from MLB http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_08_16_slnmlb_pitmlb_1&mode=video#
Yinzers uber alles
Funny
I turned off the radio after Cutch’s catch (we had house guests). We can hear the Pirates fireworks from my house, so when I didn’t hear anything for awhile, I figured they’d either lost or else were going to another extra innings marathon with Meals behind the plate. Turned out they probably happened in the time it took for me to get from the kitchen radio to the front porch.
off topic but...
Overbay had 3 hits and 3 RBI’s off of Halladay. game winning double. just sayin.
lol
Well, since he produced -.8 WAR for us...
I’d say you’re spot on.
#FreeJoelHanrahan!
#AndAlltheBuntsAreStillBad!
hahahahahah
since hes no longer a buc, i will laugh at that. hysterical.
good luck to Lyle. really a good dude. hopefully he can help the Dbacks, the team that drafted him, stay ahead of the Giants.
by the way, how odd is it to see both Overbay and Sean Burroughs in a starting lineup?
by white angus on Aug 17, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
very odd...
and I forgot he came up with Dbacks. I too wish him well. Would have been nice if things worked out better because his heart seemed to be in the right place.
#FreeJoelHanrahan!
#AndAlltheBuntsAreStillBad!
SALE THE DLEE
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Aug 17, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW, another nice crowd
I mean, a gorgeous night, and without the freefall, I’m sure it would’ve been a sellout, but 21k (just under) on a Tuesday’s a good number. Assuming they don’t have another losing streak, I think they’ll be averaging 25k-28k the rest of the way.
That ball was a piss missile
DK almost got his wish of someone taking out the Pirates Charities sign
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Closer usage
Putting in your closer in the ninth in a tie game at home is in line with the Conventional Wisdom, since there will never be a save situation in the game.
But...
he brought him in against the heart of the Cardinals order. I really liked the move and can only hope that Hurdle is learning. Anyone else notice that there hasn’t been as many useless bunts as earlier in the season?
#FreeJoelHanrahan!
#AndAlltheBuntsAreStillBad!
i still believe the bunts were called because the offense has been sooooooooo bad, not because they were the right thing to do
by white angus on Aug 17, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I kind of buy that
except that the bunts were sooooooo bad. They’re a tempting tool, because they should enable a team to score one run in an inning fairly often. But for whatever reason, this team has a shocking number of players who can’t execute a simple, pure sac bunt. Hurdle just couldn’t come to terms with that reality.
you may be right...
I don’t agree with the logic but maybe he felt “small ball” was the way to go. It’s like when McClendon wanted to use team speed to make up for the lack of power so the Bucs tried to run everyone to death and it seemed like all that happened was that Kendall and Giles would end up with like 10-15 SB’s and 10-15 CS.
#FreeJoelHanrahan!
#AndAlltheBuntsAreStillBad!
I was surprised that Hurdle went to Hanrahan in the ninth there
since he has made such a big deal out of generally avoiding saves of more than one inning. Two days ago he got what amounted to 5 outs and he pitched an inning Monday night as well. If he is still available for a third straight appearance under those circumstances, I don’t understand the reluctance to use him for four or five outs when the need is great.
BTW, can someone explain to me what happened in the ninth inning last night? I got distracted by an argument with my wife and by the time I got back to the game there were runners on first and third with one out. Did Hammer get hit hard to start the inning?
by WestCoastBuc on Aug 17, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Jay hit a double and was moved to third on a sacrifice bunt. Then, Pujols was put on intentionally. I had radio only (and gameday only for parts of the game), so I don’t know if the double was hit hard or just well placed.
Perfectly placed...
I mean it wasn’t a flare or blooper but was certainly not a “frozen rope”.
#FreeJoelHanrahan!
#AndAlltheBuntsAreStillBad!
It was a chopper
and Wood was playing on the grass for the bunt, just well placed and good timing, not scorched or anything
i give full credit for this win to the rally roos!
seriously though, Walker and McCutchen look like theyre breaking out of their slumps. Jones is on a tear right now too. offense just might be pretty good over the next week or so
nojinxnojinxnojinx
Recap
Went down early and got there to catch some of the Cardinals BP. Westbrook was out there in RF and gave me a thumbs up as if to say he would give me a ball….well he didn’t. He eventually moved over to CF to snag some balls. Then the only other bullpen guy I could tell by name was Rhodes. I shouted his name, he pointed at me, got two balls, walked over and was directly underneath where I was (the corner of the RF/Right Center Field…I was up high on the Clemente Wall though) and he tossed them to someone else in the Right Center Field seats….I proceeded to boo him haha.
Then as the Cards were going in, Westbrook was pretty much in the infield, turns around throw a ball up my way (no one else around me and my gf). She was to my left and ball hit the top of the wall next to her, I couldn’t get there in time. He then stopped, threw another than was short by about 3 feet. Finally he threw one that was about 10 rows too deep, and it bounced away….for the effort though, I think I’ll say Westbrook just got a new fan lol.
The Pujols dinger went down the stairwell in my section and the GFJ HR pretty much went right over my head, so I was in the danger zone all night haha! One thing I did notice though was our OF defense. XP was hugging the gap, which was odd because at one point Jones was guarding the line at 1b. You would think with Cutch and XPs speed he would also be guarding the line, but alas, he was not.
Another nice sized crowd, and I think I forgot to mention, 4-0 when I’m at the game! That includes two extra inning games now (Phillies and Cards) as well as the Fort HR night off of Marmol.
Thats what she said! - Michael Gary Scott
youre not one of them peeps who yell out "ball, ball!" to the players, are ya?
:-x
by white angus on Aug 17, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
nope
i recognized Westbrook (had his name on the back) and Rhodes. So I figure most fans won’t know them by first name. I gave them a yell, both took notice so I figured I was going to get something for actually knowing them by name…Rhodes completely fooled me as he walked over to right where I was, then threw the ball elsewhere….Westbrook on the other hand, forgot about me :( until he was halfway in the dugout lol. Turned, and threw a few balls my way, which was really really cool
Thats what she said! - Michael Gary Scott
Really?
It’s not that difficult to look at the game program or do a phone Google search to figure out that Westbrook and Rhodes first names were Jake and Arthur, respectively. Not to mention, I’m sure a fair amount of people in the stands just knew that naturally. These guys are both long career veterans, they’ve heard their names called by fans thousands of times.
by Zach Buccos on Aug 17, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
dont have a smart phone
they were in their practice jerseys, couldnt see names or numbers. the program did not have the cardinals players in their by picture, just name and number.
As I pointed out I was there pretty early, not a bunch of fans, most kids trying to get balls/autos.
Still pretty cool to have Westbrook remember I was over there in RF after he was about at the INF level, turn around, throw 3 balls up my way…though only one came close and the gf missed it lol.
Thats what she said! - Michael Gary Scott
Xavier Paul's right field catch in the
top of the 11th off the bat of Molina was sweet, the acquisitions of Paul and Brandon Wood have been real positives this season.
Always
walk the Pujols.
Always.
Even when you get him out, you should have walked him.
I only saw the highlights, but in the HR AB he was leaning out over the plate. I wonder if he was pitched away, away, away all game. He swings at balls up and in in the strike zone. Throw 2 seamers that keep breaking and he’ll K or just back him off the plate. Of course Tony has declared that he’ll go after any team that does. I wonder if its not worth it to Hurdle.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
Pujols' HR was just sickening.
it was a good pitch from Karstens. No way a human should have hit it like Pujols did.
then the pitch to Freeze that went for a double; an even better pitch from Karstens.
Karstens pitched much better than his stats showed.
by white angus on Aug 17, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Pujols simply muscled that one over the fence. It was a sight to see for sure.
Put on your dancin' shoes.
but it wasnt a fluke hit. he mashed a line drive.
walker’s hit was more solidly hit, yet pujols pretty much sneezed on the ball and it nearly knocked 3 fans down the tunnel.
by white angus on Aug 17, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
A Pirate pitcher pitch inside??
That would be something different.
When Pujols hits a line drive,
Chuck Norris ducks for cover.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Aug 17, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Everytime Pujols homers...
and Angel loses its wings.
#FreeJoelHanrahan!
#AndAlltheBuntsAreStillBad!
Is it too early to say that it's starting to feel like June/July again?
(Well, not exactly since that little slice of 1st place was pure heaven… but I think you guys get my point…)
Last night seemed that way, but the rest
of the home stand must be strong, especially the last three games versus Milwaukee.
by SteelStealth on Aug 17, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I would say a 6-3 overall record
on this home stand is something to shoot for, to stay within range of .500 as well.
by SteelStealth on Aug 17, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
People keep saying our pitching is going to regress
But you know what, outside of our 10 game collapse, our pitching really hasn’t. We hit that rough patch where everyone figured they were going to struggle from here on out, but now it appears the ship has straightened again.
Karstens-Continues to somehow be our ace. What’s his stat again? 20 of 22 of his starts he’s given up three earned runs or less? That’s downright bat shit crazy.
Maholm-He’s starting to seem more hittable and I start to question if we should give him that extensive option, but for the most part, he continues to be solid.
Morton-Has looked like an absolute ace these past few starts. Hopefully he can keep it up from here on out.
McDonald-Looking like his same old self. A stud for five, maybe six innings, but after that, he starts to tread water.
Correia-Yeah, he’s the only one who I truly don’t like. He just looks so hittable. As someone once said, he doesn’t look like a pitcher, he looks like a thrower
Correia, to me anyway, looks tired.
he doesnt have the same quickness in his step toward the plate. plus hes really not fooling any hitters.
but hes still pretty good if you consider him a 5th starter
by white angus on Aug 17, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I checked after his last start
Very similar numbers to Duke (altho FIP loves Duke, xFIP and SIERA don’t), although he’s put up far, far more innings. IIRC the consensus was that Duke would have cost (somewhat) more through arb, which makes Correia a good sign in my book, even if it doesn’t look like the great sign it did a month or two ago.
Actually, just checked his splits: His K/BB for every month through July was between 2.0 and 2.43; in August it’s 1.14, driven by a near-doubling in BB. His HR/FB was between 7.9 and 12.3 (climbing a couple points each month; bad trend, but maybe noise); in August, it’s 29.4 (!). His IFFH%, as a proxy for skill-driven hitability, has floated around 7% with no pattern. His BABIP was low in April, normal in May and June, and quite high (.340+) in July and August. In other words, he’s had some control problems, but also a shit-ton of bad luck. Not clear if the walks are a mechanical issue, fatigue, or what, but it looks to me like the April-July Correia is probably more “real” than the awful one we’ve seen in August (kind of shocking how ugly his numbers are even after the great start Saturday).
But you know what, outside of our 10 game collapse, our pitching really hasn’t. We hit that rough patch where everyone figured they were going to struggle from here on out, but now it appears the ship has straightened again.
yeah it has regressed. A lot of the regression took place in that 10 day stretch but it started in the beginning of July. At one point all three of Maholm, Karstens and Morton had ERA’s under 3.00 with Karstens and Morton getting down in the 2.40 range. None of them will sniff that now so they have regressed to the point were there DIPS are more closely aligned with their ERA’s. Correia has regressed and then some but seems to be coming back towards his norms. To your point though I think these guys can maintain where they are at now +- .25 points of ERA.
Nojinxnojinxnojinx
(Have to start using that here because EVERY freaking time I say something positive in a non-gamethread post it comes back to bite me).
#FreeJoelHanrahan!
#AndAlltheBuntsAreStillBad!
I agree that .25 regression is minimal; that wasn't point...
He said that out of that ten days the pitchers didn’t regress and I was disagreeing. They started regressing much sooner noticeably the beginning of July. We had two pitcher’s who had ERA’s were around 2.40 and one at 2.8 at some point in the season and now those ERA’s are apprx 3.40, 3.10 and 3.60 (that would be Morton, Karstens and Maholm and that didn’t happen in 10 days). But I do agree with him on his last point that from here on out things should be more stable because I think the “regression” is just about complete and we don’t have a lot of games left.
#FreeJoelHanrahan!
#AndAlltheBuntsAreStillBad!

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