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Minor League Open Thread: Robbie Grossman Draws 100th Walk

There's a Steelers preseason game tonight, but it's a quiet day for the Pirates, so here's a minor-league thread.

Sean Gallagher and Indianapolis host Louisville at 7:05 PM.

New Hampshire crushed Altoona earlier today, 11-2. New Hampshire's Nestor Molina struck out nine batters in five innings in his second Class AA start, and Anthony Claggett and Tim Alderson allowed nine runs in relief of Aaron Pribanic for the Curve. (Alderson's nifty start to the season seems like a long time ago, doesn't it?)

Nate Baker starts for Bradenton against Charlotte at 7:00 PM.

Jameson Taillon starts for West Virginia against Delmarva at 7:05.

State College is on the road against Hudson Valley, and Trent Stevenson, who was sent back to short-season ball in late July, will start. He has just four strikeouts in his first 18 innings there. Pirates 37th-rounder Rodarrick Jones made his State College debut yesterday.

Everybody's favorite Lithuanian teenage pitcher, Dovydas Neverauskas, took the loss in a (presumably?) rain-shortened GCL game and the GCL Jays.

UPDATE 10:22 PM: Robbie Grossman walked for the 100th time this season, and also his 11th homer, for Bradenton tonight.

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That’s because he hasn’t had many outings.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Aug 18, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Alderson is so close to being done it’s not even funny. Though I guess Dubee had a bad relief outing last night, so maybe NH just loves set-up men.

Thank you Ned Colletti.

by ryebr3ad on Aug 18, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

NH meaning New Hampshire, of course.

Thank you Ned Colletti.

by ryebr3ad on Aug 18, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

22 years old

his first 30IP he had an ERA in the 1’s. I’d keep him around or trade him but not cut.

by Mr. E on Aug 18, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

If he’s not close to minor-league free agency and doesn’t need to be added to the 40-man, no urgency this year. Although P2 seems to indicate he is Rule 5 eligible next year.

What does that mean?!

by Trogluddite on Aug 18, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

By ‘done’, I mean as a prospect. He’s looking more like org filler every year, sad to say.

Thank you Ned Colletti.

by ryebr3ad on Aug 19, 2011 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he was already on the 40man this year, so def next year

by Mr. E on Aug 19, 2011 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re talking about Alderson, he’s not on the 40-man roster.

With the number of guys we’ll have to protect in December, Alderson will not be among the priorities because he’s now a non-dominant reliever in AA.

by From France on Aug 19, 2011 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he’s not close to minor-league free agency and doesn’t need to be added to the 40-man, no urgency this year.

He’s eligible for the R5 at the end of the year.

At this point, I probably wouldn’t roster him.

by Vlad on Aug 19, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dovydas

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?

http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained

by Kosstic518 on Aug 18, 2011 5:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I like

the 5K in 3.2 innings though. I really think this is a kid we will be talking about big time about 2 years from today.

Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 18, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same

I just felt like saying that. He’s pretty interesting.

Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?

http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained

by Kosstic518 on Aug 18, 2011 8:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Per a McCauley tweet...

@ScottDMcCauleyScott McCauley

Pedro Alvarez is back with @indyindians and C Jason Jaramillo to the DL. JJ hasn’t played since Friday

Wonder if we’ve seen the last of JJ in uniform in the organization?

by Thunder on Aug 18, 2011 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s what happens when you’re around Doumit too much.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Aug 18, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

With Fryer, the Fort, and Sanchez moving up, JJ is organizational depth.

What does that mean?!

by Trogluddite on Aug 18, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be ....

He’s shown he can be a competent big-league back-up catcher. With the dearth of good catching around, we get what, a C prospect for him?

What does that mean?!

by Trogluddite on Aug 19, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think he'll be traded. i just think he'll be elsewhere.

bowker, clement, jaramillo… maybe wimberly… burres, gallagher

by white angus on Aug 19, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Taillon not that sharp tonight

can’t put guys away tonight with two strikes. 2 walks, 2 HBP. must be struggling with control.

Has 2 K’s thru 2 2/3.

by JCBucs on Aug 18, 2011 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

4BB in his first 42IP, now 13 in his last 36IP with a 6.55 ERA

by Mr. E on Aug 18, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didn’t see it but this strikes me as fairly normal growing pains

Yinzers uber alles

by BostonBuc on Aug 18, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

could be tiring a bit

#FreeJoelHanrahan!
#AndAlltheBuntsAreStillBad!

by Slick1 on Aug 18, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Robbie Grossman 1-2

with the Bismack BiyOMBo, his 11th.

by Mr. E on Aug 18, 2011 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Sale the Grossman!

No . . . wait . . .

Free the Grossman!!

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Aug 18, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nutting is all about a free Grossman. As long as it’s not one of those “free Grossman with the purchase of a regular sized Wieters” deals.

by matskralc on Aug 19, 2011 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stevenson

Not good at all 5IP 10H 4R 4ER 0BB 0K at State College.

Someone keep me off the ledge with him.

Yinzers uber alles

by BostonBuc on Aug 18, 2011 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

that doesn’t help w/ Stevenson :) but Freeman has been on fire

Yinzers uber alles

by BostonBuc on Aug 18, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

See below

He was getting hammered.

What does that mean?!

by Trogluddite on Aug 18, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan Moskos

Last two outings
2 1/3, 7 hits, 7 ER, 6 BB

by pirates79 on Aug 18, 2011 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

too bad. I really root for Moskos but I don’t see him as a ML player

Yinzers uber alles

by BostonBuc on Aug 18, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

To whomever frequents MILB games

If you run into DL, please, kick him in the balls for me. And when he’s on the ground writhing in pain, lean in and just simply say, “You know why.” And walk away (or run so you don’t get arrested for assault :p).

by pskell02 on Aug 18, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He may never be great

But I still think he puts together several years in the majors. He’s left handed, he throws in the low 90’s (I remember hearing 97 earlier this year in AAA) and he doesn’t have control problems. Considering it was his first year in the bigs this year, I was actually fairly satisfied with him…

by KentuckyPirate on Aug 18, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He may never be great
But I still think he puts together several years in the majors.

Yeah, because that’s what I want out of my former top five draft picks. I want them to put together a several not great years in the majors. Definitely a win right there if he does that. Especially when that specific guy we chose instead of a future franchise catcher.

by Zach Buccos on Aug 19, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you wouldn't have..

24 yr old league average player (2.0 WAR last year and 2.4 WAR this year) over a reliever who will be nothing more than a replacement player +1 .3 WAR (imo)? Wieters still has an extremely high ceiling. It’s funny to me the people that act like he’s a bust because he didn’t come right into the league and hit 30 HR’s right away. I’ve seen him play and he will be an All-Star catcher one day. I’m not ready to call Alvarez a bust let alone a guy who has performed well at a very tough position in the hardest division in baseball.

#FreeJoelHanrahan!
#AndAlltheBuntsAreStillBad!

by Slick1 on Aug 19, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha I was just being a smartass. He’s very good defensively but his swing is probably too big and slow to ever be what we thought he would become. I’m rooting for him though

by Mr. E on Aug 19, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said that he was a good pick

Or that I would take him over Wieters. Or that I think several ok years as a LOOGY justifies the pick. I was only replying to the comment that he’s not a ML player.

by KentuckyPirate on Aug 19, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He throws like 91 and he does seem to have command problems, sadly enough

by Mr. E on Aug 19, 2011 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

his slider is far from wipeout so he doesn’t really have an outpitch. Not a good thing if you don’t have really good command.

#FreeJoelHanrahan!
#AndAlltheBuntsAreStillBad!

by Slick1 on Aug 19, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

When Moskos was wild

He didn’t seem to be missing badly. He just wasn’t hitting his spots. I think that can be improved on, especially for a guy who will get plenty of chances (in Pittsburgh or elsewhere) because of his draft spot. He does need an out pitch and I wasn’t really impressed with his slider much this year but for a rookie, left-handed reliever (if you disregard the built in expectations or lack thereof becuase of the Wieters fiasco) with his solid MiLB track record, I’d say it was a decent debut.

by KentuckyPirate on Aug 19, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think its command (ability to hit the mit) and not control (ability to hit the strike zone 3 times). Even though he walks too many, I think it’s more command, I see him nibbling and not trusting his stuff (probably rightfully so).

by Mr. E on Aug 19, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know who the probable pitcher is for Altoona this Tuesday?

I have a ticket offer, but I’m not sure I want to go. My scant research says it’s Pribanic, but I’m looking to confirm.

No jinx no jinx no jinx.

by Suffering Buc on Aug 18, 2011 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, Pribanic pitched today and they don’t have any days off, so it should be Pribanic.

They currently have a DH scheduled Tuesday, so there’ll probably be a spot starter in there. Maybe Brett Sinkbeil!

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Aug 18, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saw 1 & 1/2 of the Spikes games
  • Really want to go to sleep and drink beer, but I guess I can’t let this get stale. I got to yesterday’s game against the Renegades (Rays NY-Penn league team); work & weather cut into tonights game. Dutchess County stadium is a nice little thing and when you consider that the NY-Penn League is pretty low on the totem pole, a very nice stadium.
  • Spikes hitters – were all AWOL both games. Very few balls left the infield; those that did were generally shallow. The Renegades, on the other hand, were driving balls 390 feet dead center or 300+ down either line.

   - Gamache (20 yo, 6th Round/2011, 3B) was disappointing. Yesterday, 3 or 4 weak grounders to the right side, all resulting in DPs or easy put-outs. Tonight, his outs were to the opposite side of the infield.

   - Junior Sosa (20 yo, 2008 Int’l FA, OF) apparently started on the GCL roster. No power. He laid down a horrible sacrifice bunt that the 1B inexplicably did not charge and hustled out a single yesterday. He showed some good speed on the basepaths (took part in a double steal) and in center field and there were several plays were his speed helped him cut off balls in the gap.

  - Wesley Freeman (21 yo, 16th round/2008, OF) struck out badly twice tonight (3 weak swings the first time, tied up inside the second). He may be reaching the end of his rope if he can’t hit in his 3rd season.

   - Carlos Mesa got one of the few solid hits yesterday, a nice double.

   - The bottom of the line-up – Ponce, Singer, and Lewis – did very little at the plate.

The Spikes’ two runs yesterday were unearned. With runners on 1st and 2nd, no one out, and the top of the line-up up, what did the Spikes do? You guessed it – bunts. Bad bunts which didn’t help. They had a double still, passed ball, and then I think a sac fly. I missed most of their scoring today, but only two fly balls made it out of the infield, and neither was deep whilst the Renegades hitters were pounding their balls deep and hard.

Pitching (no gun, so no speed info)

Nick Kingham (19 yo, 4th Round/2010, RHP) – 13/19 1st pitch strikes. 60 pitches over 5 innings. 38 k, 22 bb. Kept the ball low & outside (to RH batters) and was effective. When he left the ball up and caught more of the plate, the ball got hit hard. Fielded his position well – had several comebackers.

Jordan Cooper (21 yo, 23rd Round/2011, RHP) – 5/8 1st pitch strikes, 35 pitches in 2 innings 19/16 k/bb. Seemed to throw the hardest of all the pitchers from either side, but his shot group was everywhere. When he got one over the plate and contact was made, they went a looooong way.

Emmanuel DeLeon (20 yo, Int’l FA 2007, RHP) – closed out Wednesday’s game. 5/6 1st pitch k’s and 13/8 k/bb. Did a nice job.

I missed Stevenson’s implosion tonight – 6 straight hits in the 2nd inning – but he seemed to settle down in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th innings. Like Kingham, he seemed to be trying to spot low and outside (to RH batters). When his pitches got hit, they were tatooed. From the 3rd to the 5th, his numbers inverted – 3 1st pitch balls (for 4 batters) in the 3rd and 8 balls to 6 ks, but by the 5th 4/5 1st pitch k’s and 9ks to 3 bb’s.
Kleis came in and mowed them down in the 6h and 7th, but his defense let him down in the 7th. With runners on 1st and 2nd, no one out, Ponce missed a throw from 1Bman Lashmet. Than Gamache let a routine grounder go under his glove. But it just seems unfair to send a 6 foot, 8 inch pitcher out in the NY-Penn League. He just looked a lot bigger than the others.

Purjess (from this year’s draft?), the only LH Pitcher I saw, came in to help out Kleis and did a good job. He was throwing strikes and got out of the inning.

The Renegades catcher tonight threw 4 of 6 base-runners out on attempted steals, made Skirving look silly by picking him off 1st, then nearly caught Ponce napping at 1st two innings later.

That’s all I’ve got! Player info from P2 (the WTM profiles and depth chrats.

What does that mean?!

by Trogluddite on Aug 18, 2011 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

Freeman's having a good year so far

Tonight notwithstanding. He’ll be in WV next year for sure.

by maguro on Aug 18, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sosa's bunting

At the Spikes-Lake Monsters game Sosa ran into his own bunt for an out (runners had to go back to the base). He’s major-league ready!

I’m a little surprised that the Pirates let their minor-league managers call bunts at all.

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on Aug 19, 2011 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a little surprised that the Pirates let their minor-league managers call bunts at all.

Really? I’m surprised that they don’t designate an inning every game is Bunt Inning, where everyone who bats bunts.

by Wizard of Woz on Aug 19, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Every inning is Bunt Inning in the minors.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Aug 19, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Every inning is Bunt Inning in the minors Hurdleball!

FTFY

by Garrett122 on Aug 19, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's kind of my point

Is bunting in the minors really helping players’ development? If the Bucs make their pitchers throw nothing but fastballs, I’d figure they’d make their batters swing the bat.

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on Aug 19, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

All the bunts came in the bottom of the sixth, I believe.

I’m old school. When you get the gift of having your #9 hitter get on and the top of the line-up up with no one out, you reach for the lumber, not the lightning.

Sosa’s bunt caused me to groan. It was not an attempt for a hit, it was a very bad sacrifice.

The next guy’s bunt (even before it was unsuccesful) caused me to mutter, louder than I should have, “Stop the damn bunting already!”

I really think it was a developmental thing, where the manager has a list of scenarios where he calls bunts, regardless of whether it helps win the game, so that players develop.

What does that mean?!

by Trogluddite on Aug 19, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Really want to go to sleep and drink beer..."

Not in that order, I hope…

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Aug 20, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

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