Money Spent On Players in 2011, By Team
Frankly, I'm surprised that this long after the draft that this hasn't been done already. I'm merely combining the draft bonus totals and the payroll totals of the MLB teams and adding them together (ESPN for salaries and BA for draft bonuses). That way, we get the amount of money spent on ballplayers in 2011 by MLB teams without counting the small amount minor league players make outside of bonuses.
1. Yankees $203,178, 860
2. Phillies $ 177,666, 181
3. Red Sox $ 171,236, 176
4. Angels $ 142,317, 124
5. Cubs $ 138,375, 213
6. White Sox $ 132,071, 839
7. Mets $ 126,929,811
8. Giants $124,050,333
9. Twins $ 118,639,300
10. Tigers $ 108,583,932
11. Dodgers $ 107,298,291
12. Cardinals $ 103,300,072
13. Mariners $96,196,100
14. Rangers $ 96,078,265
15. Orioles $93,736,138
16. Brewers $ 93,006,633
17. Rockies $91,965,971
18. Braves $90,738,892
19. Reds $82,560,266
20. lAstros $75,514,800
21. Nationals $72,895,029
22. Blue Jays $72,614,300
23. Athletics $68,342,800
24.Diamondbacks $65,569,833
25. Pirates $62,635,700
26. Marlins $60,662,000
27. Indians$56,564,167
28. Padres $56475640
29. Rays $53,415,071
30. Royals $49,778,400
As you can see, with the draft spending included, most things don't change. The Yankees are still in a class of their own, and the Phillies (surprisingly to me in second, I assumed Red Sox) could take on half of what the Royals spent and still be in 2nd place. The Cubs move ahead of their chicago brethren in money spent because the Cubs spent a decent chunk of change on the draft and the White Sox spent the least, (less than we spent on picks NOT named Cole or Bell). In terms of "places" the Mariners jumped the most, up 5 from 18th in MLB payroll to 13th in this exercise. The Braves dropped from 15th to 18th.
What does this tell us about Pirates spending? Well, they still are fairly low spenders at 25th out of 30, but as a %, the difference between them and the "mid tier spenders" decreases quite a bit. On MLB payroll, we spent a little less than 54% what the Brewers, the 16th placed team spent, but in this exercise we spent a little more than 67% what the 16th placed team, still the Brewers, spent.
Probably the most useful, (and hopeful) example listed on this chart is the Oakland A's. With a payroll in MLB of $65,275,500, they have the kind of payroll that many fans have been yearning for for years. The type of payroll that a lot of those same fans claim that the Pirates would never be willing to pay under public Cheap-O #1 Bob Nutting. The fact is though, that in the amount of money spent on players this year, the Pirates spent only around $5.5 million less than the A's. That means that if you treat the draft and MLB spending as part of one budget, (which the Pirates officially claim not to do, but for the sake of this exercise just to have fun we'll do it) then if the Pirates for some stupid reason decided to only spend as much as the A's on the draft, and still planned to spend the same amount of money overall on players, they would have fielded a team with a $59,568,400 payroll to spend the same amount of money as they did this season. Now, I'd argue that it wouldn't have been smart to field such a payroll going into this season when it looked like we had no shot at contending, but the fact is that Bob Nutting has already shown he will spend that kind of money on players, and that is why so many of us here at Bucs Dugout believe that when the time comes to up payroll for a team that is a true contender, he very well may put up the money needed.
UPDATE: It has come to my attention via Mr. E that the Pirates have spent closer to $52 Million in payroll to go along with the 17 million in the draft, which combined with Latin American signings puts the Pirates over $70 million dollars spent on players this year.
This is the better link to Pirates spending on MLB payroll provided by Pirates Prospects
http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/10/2011-pittsburgh-pirates-40-man-roster-and-payroll.html
Thankfully, because of the direction of my mistake in using ESPN for my financial numbers, my point isn't nullified but further underscored.
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People need to see this. I feel like with the increase in ticket prices and more butts in the seats you will see us higher on this list.
Would be interesting to try and add Latin American bonuses (I assume you didn’t). We spent a decent amount. The Rangers spent HUGE amounts. They might have passed the Cardinals.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 24, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions
what could be even better is
if we slide down in the draft selecting, we will be in general terms spending less on the draft. with ticket price increases as well as attendance, we’ll be making more money. could this lead to more spending on the top latin american prospects?
Also, were at 62M now, I could imagine a total payroll closer to the 70-75M range. Was it the Brewers that I read about somewhere they actually lost money a few years ago to field a better more competitive team AND THEN the fans began showing up? I can’t recall. I also can’t see us taking a hit on the bottom line so again, a 70-75M payroll ain’t bad at all IMO.
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but thats not "payroll"... bonuses should not be added to that number
but dig this…. if NH sticks to his prospects next season, our payroll will be LESS than it was this season. Doumit is gone. Snyder is probably gone. Maholm maybe gone. Ohlendorf possibly gone. theres even a chance that Cedeno is let go.
the only three money makers on the team after them are Correia, Diaz and Alvarez.
so unless NH makes a big trade for established MLBers, or signs 1-2 free agents, the payroll may actually diminish.
no no
i understand, but what im saying is i could imagine a payroll of about 70-75M. Then oh figure 8M on the draft? Could we be in total spending between 70-85M with increased attendance, ticket prices and a continuous influx of minor league talent making the minimum to compliment the high priced guys like Cutch? I would guess that type of payroll would not be out of the question.
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Yeah, I'd love to have the international figures to add to that
After seeing your post, I searched for a team by team dollar amount, but could only find them for 2010. According to BA, Harold Ramirez and Elvis Escobar were rated as expected to get the 15th and 23rd highest international bonuses on their top 40 highest expected bonus list, and I know they were signed to a $1.05 Million and $570,000 bonus respectively, so just those 2 signings would put us ranked 19th on last years list, and I assume we signed quite a few others as well at a lower price.
This seems low
We spent 17m on the draft, right? That would put our payroll at 45m, but everything I’ve seen is that after we took on Ludwick and Lee we have ~52m committed this year. That would bump us up to about 69m and 23rd.
Also, Twins at $118m??? Damn
I thought that the 52 million figure was ignoring the fact that we only pay Derrek Lee and Ryan Ludwick for the prorated portions of their contract
That’s why I’m using the ESPN figure, cause I think ESPN adjusts for that prorated portion, though I’m not one hundred percent sure. Also, thanks for the recs guys, appreciate it.
Geez, sorry for so many posts here, I guess I didn't read closely enough, but I'm pretty sure after reading Pirates Prospects that 52 million is closer to correct than 45 million
Now, this finding turns all those numbers into much looser estimates, because I’m guessing the Pirates aren’t the only team ESPN doesn’t have a perfect estimate for. Sorry for posting without perfect information, but I still believe that this new information that ESPN estimated too low on what the Pirates spent strengthens the point that Nutting has been willing to spend the money on players.
Here’s the ESPN link I used http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/salaries//name/pit/pittsburgh-pirates
Here’s the better Pirates prospects link blank">http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/10/2011-pittsburgh-pirates-40-man-roster-and-payroll.html
ESPN is probably accurate
they just haven;t updated for trade deadline acquisitions I imagine. I think 45 was our payroll in April.
While the data are interesting.....
…..I’m kinda like, so what?
The Pirates’ draft spending has moved them up a couple slots in the bottom quartile. They remain the lowest-spending team in their division, well below average in MLB, and massively below the top 10.
And I see no way that’s gonna change.
Well, some people say that even a $70 million payroll is to much for the buccos, I'm pointing out we already spend that much on players
We’re within $15 million of the Reds and Astros already in all likelihood, (don’t have their Latin American signing data), and I could see free agent and deadline contracts in a playoff push kind of year pushing us to the $75 million to $80 million range spent on players, which is right where the Astros and Reds are. Obviously, $75-$80 million isn’t $105 million or whatever crazy number marks the start of the top 10, but it’s a number that I think is attainable and is a much higher number than a lot of Pittsburgh people would be willing to believe the Nuttings would spend on players.
Face it
Bob Nutting is a tightwad frugal SOB
MLB allows guys like this to year in year out put out a crap product with no accountability.
The only thing a fan can do is ignore,…dont support….make the owner accountable.
But your love over rides logic. You support this guy’s team no matter what. He’s laughing all the way to the bank.
19 years in a row and counting…keep supporting this slum lord……SUCKERS!
Very funny, as I find this post to be a highly logical one because it uses FACTS.
The whole point is that if you are calling Bob Nutting’s spending on players to be frugal and the spending of a tightwad, you are essentially calling a whole third of the league owners tightwads. Or possibly even more. I mean, if the Pirates spent $85 million on MLB payroll, lost money that year, and had a losing record, I suspect you’d still call Nutting a tightwad.

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