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Washington manager Davey Johnson on Tuesday confirmed plans for Stephen Strasburg to make his first 2011 start for the Nationals on Sept. 6.

Strasburg will start for Double-A Harrisburg on Thursday. It is expected to be his final rehab appearance in his comeback from Tommy John surgery to repair a torn ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching elbow.

If all goes well, Strasburg will make his much-anticipated start at home against the Los Angeles Dodgers.

"I've got a spot open for him," Johnson said.

And the Hall of the Incredibly Stupid has a front-and-center spot for Washington's Front Office.

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I don't think it's that bad of an idea...

The guy’s dominated every rehab start since he’s come back. If he’s ready he’s ready, nobody blinked an eye when Pujols came back super fast. More power to Washington for not being hyper-sensitive and sissy scared about injuries the way most teams and professional sports (Roger Goodell/NFL anyone?) are.

Benny Benack III

by benny benack on Aug 30, 2011 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Roger Goodell/NFL

If you’re talking about the NFL’s concussion policies, concussions are extremely serious business and if anything the NFL doesn’t do enough about them. Read up on the former NFL players whose lives have been destroyed by progressive brain damage — remember Justin Strelczyk, Mike Webster, and Terry Long, just from the Steelers.

If that’s not what you’re talking about, sorry, but then I’m not sure what you mean.

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on Aug 31, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get me started on the new NFL rules...

It’s ruining the game, plain and simple. Forget penalties for clean, unavoidable hits on QBs, but how about what we’ve seen already in the preseason where Ben’s called down 10 yards behind the line while he’s still fighting and able to get off a throwaway? I understand concussions are an issue but they should listen to the players suggestions instead of ruining the game with these dumb sissy rules. They want to go to an 18 game season and the only way people will pallet that is if they think the NFL is really considerate and worried about player safety. Psh.

Benny Benack III

by benny benack on Aug 31, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

NFL Players make x50 more $ than you or I ever will

So they run the risk of brain damage and injuries later in life, etc. THAT’S WHAT YOU SIGN UP FOR WHEN YOU MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS! I’d trade some chronic back pain in my 60s for a few million wouldn’t you?

Benny Benack III

by benny benack on Aug 31, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

I had the same thought upon reading that.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Aug 31, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

a small wrist fracture and Tommy John surgery are in two different universes as far as seriousness.

by theatrain on Sep 1, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

And before you say TJ surgery is more serious

and can’t be compared to Pujols hand/wrist injury, my point is if he’s back and hurling bullets let him pitch don’t baby him. If anything, Strasburg’s injury proves no matter how much you coddle a player and try to protect him, if he’s gonna get hurt he’s gonna get hurt anyways.

Benny Benack III

by benny benack on Aug 30, 2011 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

AND ANOTHER THING...

I think pitch count is ruining baseball. Was anybody else miffed when Lincoln came out the other night after 6 innings and not even 80 pitches!? Perceived “aces” will have a long leash and go out and throw 120 and nobody cares but unless you’re Roy Halladay you’re not allowed to do that? It’s just frustrating how everyone seems like little scared children w/injuries sometimes…

Benny Benack III

by benny benack on Aug 30, 2011 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Pitchers younger than 25 should and do have their innings monitored. You’ve heard of the Verducci effect, correct?

Thank you Ned Colletti.

by ryebr3ad on Aug 31, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Much of this is due to...

…the incredible investment that teams make in their star pitchers. There are few, if any, injuries to position players that are as devastating in length and severity as those requiring TJ surgery, or, heaven forbid, a rotator cuff injury. While pitchers do come back from TJ surgery and are able to have a modicum of success, having that type of gigantic hole in the rotation as well as sucking up payroll can be crippling to a franchise.

Bob Walk, that well-known hater of all things post-1900, went on one of his typical “crazy old guy on the porch” rants this past Sunday about David Price being pulled from a game against the Blue Jays, a game in which Price had posted 14 Ks in 7 innings. Bitter Bob railed against “pitch counts”, wondering why Price wasn’t allowed to go back out and finish the game, since he was being so dominant.

David Price is 26 years old and one of the rising pitching stars in the league, on track for two consecutive 200 innings pitched seasons; he finished 2nd in the Cy Young voting in 2010. He has a WHIP of 1.10 this season, and a K:BB rate of almost 4:1 (actual is 3.91:1), and although his ERA+ is only 106, BBREF has him with a WAR of 3.5 . In the actual game in question, Price had already thrown 114 pitches in the game and was leaving with a 6-0 lead (on the way to a 12-0 Rays win, as they put up 6 runs in the top of the ninth).

The Rays are currently 7.5 games back in the Wild Card race, so barring a collapse of monumental proportions from either Boston or New York, they will not be making the playoffs this season. Why risk getting this kid hurt in what is essentially a meaningless game in late August, when he means so much to your franchise and hopefully will for years to come?

It's just my two cents. Could be worth more, could be worth nothing.

by Bishop1973 on Aug 31, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Walk…[ranted] this past Sunday about David Price being pulled from a game against the Blue Jays, a game in which Price had posted 14 Ks in 7 innings. Bitter Bob railed against "pitch counts", wondering why Price wasn’t allowed to go back out and finish the game, since he was being so dominant.

Well, if Bob Walk is agin somthun, it must be bad.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Aug 31, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's dumb.

Even just to the naked eye, Price looked like he was visibly fatigued.

I like Bob, but he’s in the wrong on this one.

by Vlad on Aug 31, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Walk completed 16 of 259 starts and pitched 200 innings in only one season.

But he loves to harp on the fact that he threw something like 180 pitches in a minor league game.

This was also a guy who seemed to have a muscle pull every time you turned around and was criticized for his lack of conditioning, especially in the offseason. He seemed to think that hunting and fishing trips did enough, IIRC.

To his credit, he did have a good career overall and came up big a couple times in the postseason.

But some of his comments about pitchers and pitch counts really get old.

パトリック

by patthatt on Aug 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

How to get in shape:

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Aug 31, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

So why are you a

hater of all-things post-1900 hater and hater of crazy old guys on porches?! That’s age discrimination. Dang kids, git off of my lawn!!!

What does that mean?!

by Trogluddite on Aug 31, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

This doesn't apply to Lincoln's start the other day.

Lincoln had cruised through 6 innings and thrown well under 100 pitches. OK, he allowed some baserunners in the 6th but he pitched his way out of it and it was the only moderately tense moment he had in his entire start. Pirates season gone or not, there was no reason he couldn’t at least go out in the 7th! Curt Schilling said he hated being taken out of games because he thought his stuff was better than anybody they’d bring out of the bullpen anyway, AND HES RIGHT.

Benny Benack III

by benny benack on Aug 31, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lincoln had also been in the bullpen most of the month

he wasn’t completely stretched out, plus Hurdle has more confidence in the pen than BL

by Mr. E on Aug 31, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes yes I have...

Forgive the rant I just get a little frustrated with the whole thing every once in awhile. I know you have to be smart with young pitchers I just fruitlessly wish there was a Nolan Ryan in there somewhere for the next generation…

Benny Benack III

by benny benack on Aug 31, 2011 1:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Nolan Ryan

didn’t pitch more than 152 innings until he was 25. And he was in the majors at 19.

Looks to me like the Mets babied him for six years.

Also, Nolan Ryan was a freak of nature.

by bucdaddy on Sep 1, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

thats because Ryan couldnt get the ball over the plate, so they made him into a reliever for a while

once Ryan could find the plate and not kill anyone with the heater, he became a starter again

by white angus on Sep 1, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

…Nolan Ryan was a freak of nature.

There were only a handful of guys like Ryan. Clemens, The Unit, Carlton were three who could throw hard, accumulate a lot of innings and would pitch well into their late 30s. Players like these are nearly unique. The same applies to ARod, Pujols, Bonds, Mays, etc. They produce at a level that few can match.

It’s silly to compare a Strasburg to them. Strasburg has already gone under the knife.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Sep 1, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see the big deal

How is pitching for the Nationals any more dangerous than pitching in AAA? It’s not like team control and arbitration clocks apply either.

by maguro on Aug 31, 2011 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe less dangerous, but only slightly

I would guess that the training and medical staff in DC is better than the one in their AAA affiliate. On the other hand, some argue (too lazy to look right now) that the high stress innings are the ones that really effect pitchers, not the short ones. In the MLB he should have more high stress innings just because the level of batter he faces is much better.

by Wizard of Woz on Aug 31, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

…the high stress innings are the ones that really effect pitchers, not the short ones.

That’s one reason. Another reason: The need for a TJ patient to regain arm strength and pitch command in a low-stress environment, to succeed without taxing himself. Strasburg cannot even comb his hair without someone photographing or writing about the event.

I cannot see any benefit to having Strasburg return to the majors this season, any benefit that outweighs the risks.

And, as WTM pointed out somewhere: The Nationals have already ‘developed’ Strasburg to the point that he needed TJ surgery. Their judgement is suspect because of that fact and because Strasburg is a PR department’s dream project.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Aug 31, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

So if he throws 50 pitches against the Cubs he’ll get hurt but if he throws 50 pitches against Indianapolis, he won’t?

by maguro on Aug 31, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

We’re talking probabilities here, not direct causal relationships.

/critique of strawman fallacy

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Aug 31, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t even see how he would have a higher probability of getting hurt, as long as the pitch limits are the same, which they should be.

Are you suggesting that the mental stress of pitching a meaningless September game for the Nationals will cause him to hurt his arm? I’m just trying to understand your reasoning here.

by maguro on Aug 31, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s to understand? (Better hitters → more challenging playing environment) —> a more difficult environment in which to succeed. Hype -→ environmental stress and (environmental stress —> demand for superlative performance). Returning from a serious injury and surgery —> stress about the injury, the surgery, post surgery performance and the prospect of reinjuring oneself.

Plus, there’s no baseball need for Strasburg to pitch in the majors this year. His return is about PR hype and turnstile clicks.

He and the team would be better served if Strasburg were to be given the cautious program, going through spring training as his first encounters with a major league lineup.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Aug 31, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

and it will surely help attendance.

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by BadMaafala on Aug 31, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Mechanically

is Strasburg Mechanically sound? I mean could he injure that elbow again due to his pitching motion? or are TJ surgeries just wear and tear?

by lfhlaw on Aug 31, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

The White Sox pitching coach

name escapes me…Don Cooper, maybe? He made a point of stating that he thinks if Strasburg DOESN’T alter his mechanics slightly, he thinks he’s going to continue to have arm problems, which could be telling. There’s probably never going to be any kind of consensus on Strasburg in relation to his mechanics as far as whether they caused his injury or not…no one’s really going to know for sure, and it sure didn’t look like it was from overwork last year.
Personally, I don’t think its that big a deal that he comes back this year…if he’s ready and physically sound, I really don’t see it as big of a risk as people are making it out to be. And I would bet the Nats throw him mostly against teams that are in the same boat as them (i.e. teams with nothing to play for and the rosters expanded playing kids for the most part).

by NastyNate82 on Sep 3, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

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