Pirates Being Swept By The Astros, Or The Intellectual Wasteland That Is Twitter: Which Is Less Depressing?
Is there anything sadder than putting up a total of 13 hits in a three-game series in Houston? How about checking in on the last of those games while arguing with people over what "retweeting" is? Too bad the Pirates ruined a perfectly nice start by James McDonald tonight. The weird thing about this horrible, horrible series is that the games were all actually pretty competitive for a while, despite the Pirates' lack of offense. The Bucs held the lead into the seventh on Monday, and then Charlie Morton kept them in the game for the first five innings on Tuesday, and then McDonald tonight ...
You know what, forget it. Let's talk about Twitter. Dejan Kovacevic ended up sending what seemed like about a hundred tweets in response to my update in the John Bowker thread below. And, as is usually the case when one of us gets angry with the other, we dealt with it over email, and we ended up having a civil, reasonable conversation about Tim Alderson's value at the time of the Freddy Sanchez trade, Sanchez's role in the Giants winning the World Series, and the quality of the Pirates' front office's trades.
Can you ever have a discussion like that on Twitter? No, you can't. I mean, I have to use it, because I blog and people break news on there, so that's fine. (Although why people with websites of their own and paychecks to earn have given over so much of the product of their labor to another website that pays them nothing has always been a little confusing to me.) But as a place to have a discussion about anything that has any nuance whatsoever, why would you want to do that? At best, you get funny people shooting forgettable one-liners back and forth. At worst, which is much of the time, you get gleeful bomb-lobbing like the type I was critiquing earlier today. You can't have a productive dialogue about much of anything. It's hard to even follow a conversation that involves more than three or four responses. Potential conversations involving multiple people immediately burrow off into un-follow-able little ant colonies of non-sequitur and misunderstanding. And then there's the fact that Twitter brings out the worst in people who are supposed to be professionals - I don't think I need to list the many Pirates-related media folks who have said really, really dumb things on Twitter in the past year or so (and I'm not talking about Dejan here).
In his excellent book Amusing Ourselves To Death, Neil Postman compared the Lincoln-Douglas debates (which went on for hours and featured extremely long, florid sentences that are sometimes hard to even read today, let alone to hear aloud) to modern, sound-bite-heavy political debates. He argued that the primary medium of the 19th century, print, encouraged reasoned debate - series of premises that followed logically to a conclusion. Meanwhile, the primary medium of the modern age, television, did not, because of the lack of context involved. Watch your local news, and you'll see what he's talking about - a report on a war or on crime followed by a bunch of car commercials followed by a grave warning about your drinking water followed by a weather forecast followed by a video of a squirrel on waterskis, or whatever.
Postman died in 2003, and thus didn't get to see Twitter take over the planet. I'm sure it would have terrified him. Now, I understand that people get their news from Twitter. Really, it's one of those technologies that has reached the point where there's a need to engage with it even if we hate it. As a sort of ... headline collection, it's fine, and it has certain uses in contexts where people need to disseminate news to lots of people without having access to a laptop. But really, do we have to have arguments about the merits of the front office on there? Come here and have them. Or go to Dejan's blog. Or call in to talk radio. Or talk about it around a bar. Great. But Twitter ... almost no one looks better on Twitter. No one who tries to have an argument on Twitter gets smarter as a result.
What were we talking about again? Ah yes - 13 hits in three games against the Houston Astros. Actually, even Twitter might be a less depressing subject of conversation than that.
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Word.
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…Or, rather, word(s) totaling 140 characters or less.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
Darn you cocktails
because of that (s) you wrote, I’m now thinking of a 140+ character word to type so those parentheses would actually be necessary
You're welcome.

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…You do dig the context I was using of “word,” yes?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 1, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Ignorance is bliss.
Billions of people prove it every day.
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Not sure what that means, but I know it wasn’t meant in a bad way.
I’m kind of pointlessly dfascinated with this need people have to communicate every fool thought that comes into their heads. Can you imagine being forced to sit next to a person like that, 24/7? A person who literally spoke every thought out loud? Something like glossolalia? How long before you’d strangle said person?
It would be like the Far Side cartoon about the “thought process of a puppy”:
What’s that? What’s that? What’s that? What’s that? What’s that? What’s that? What’s that? What’s that? WHOA! Gotta pee!
And yet because it’s in a medium that encourages poor writing and even less thought, it’s OK for some reason. Why is that?
I sat at a red light at an intersection today and watched the guy in the next car texting at the wheel. What. In. The. F*** is so important you have to do that? Probably something earth-shattering like, “Hey, everybody, this red light sure last a long WHOA! Gotta drive!”
by bucdaddy on Sep 1, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I was just congratulating you for ignoring it.
The rest of your post gets a big, big +1 from me. I mean, personally, I have a limited number of interesting ideas in a day.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 1, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, but ...
I didn’t mean I am happy to be ignorant of such technological wonders as Twitter, though I am (but where’s my flying car, dammit?). I meant that billions of people are all too happy to function at an extreme minimal level of thought and with a minimal level of intelligence. That the dumbing down of the populace seems to be accelerating at an alarming rate, and many people are all too happy to accept that. That the greater the intellect put into the technology, the stupider the people seem to become. I know this is an old-man rant, but consider: God doesn’t let you live to be old unless you’re right.
by bucdaddy on Sep 1, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, I get it. Well, I agree with that too.
Although blogs, those turned out fine. :)
by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 1, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Blogs did turn out pretty well.
I like this one and two or three others.
I’m fine with e-mail too, because I hate hate hate talking on the telephone.
That’s about it.
Twitter is especially disturbing in the hands of so-called legitimate reporters, who used to have to anguish over every word that was going to appear in print, and satisfy some bastard of an editor that what they were writing was factually accurate and at least remotely fair. Exactly like in that movie “His Girl Friday.”
That was a joke.
Anyway, now they’re free to “report” 24/7 and what do we get for it? An avalanche of idiocy around events like the trade deadline and the draft and the signing period, with nobody held accountable for spouting bullshit (although in sports at least, that has pretty much always been true).
by bucdaddy on Sep 1, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd for His Girl Friday reference
to add to the old man nostalgia vibe in here, I’d add that they don’t make films like that anymore, either. the dialogue is seriously a mile a minute quick and witty.
Agreed on the rec.
The Mrs. and I watch that film at least once a month. I know virtually every line in it.
And still find new stuff each time we watch it.
(Also: The lines were delivered that way on purpose. Howard Hawks [the director] insisted on it.)
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 2, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
The world of “Idiocracy” is getting closer and closer.
also reminds me of the classic bill hicks bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvs2g5Nj0NI
Remember the "hey, 'batin" scene?
That’s what Twitter reminds me of.
by Central*Scrutinizer on Sep 1, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I HATE ABOUT TWITTER? Hashtags that don’t actually function in categorizing things, but instead offer ironic or otherwise pseudo-humorous comment. #almostneverfunny
by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 1, 2011 12:13 AM EDT reply actions
Apropos?
robcorddry rob corddry
Perfect time to reiterate my stand on hash tag jokes. #tooeasy #rarelyfunny #morelikehacktags
"WHITESNAKE! DOKKEN! NIGHT RANGER!" -- Ronny Cedeño
In defense of Twitter
I’ve been active on Twitter for roughly the past two years. I have three accounts–one for school-related self-promotion that I have not updated in roughly two years (largely because, I would like to believe, I find self-promotion on social media platforms to be tacky and shallow) one for political and personal commentary, and one for sports-related commentary. While most of my discussions on Twitter have been light banter, I find that it is possible to have rich discussion on that platform.
One of the facets of Twitter that most interests me is the 140-character post limit. While this seemed utterly ridiculous to me when I first joined, I eventually came to embrace it as a challenge–namely, how can I best express my ideas in a small framework? Twitter forces me to craft my ideas into their most compact and essential form.
While not all conversations can work under those parameters, I’ve found it possible to have rich conversation on specific topics. For example, I’ve had reasonable, well thought-out discussion on Twitter about the performance of Jose Veras. This works because the primary evidence that I (and hopefully most others) use for baseball players are statistics, and they can be crafted into a few short characters. This makes it possible for me to express my opinions and provide backing for it in the framework of Twitter. Responses that use the same pattern of concise expression of evidence lead to conversations of value.
While I would prefer to use more space to express my thoughts, having that space does not necessarily mean that I could use it well. This is where I find a breakdown in the ideas that Twitter “brings out the worst in people” or that (as bucdaddy states above) it encourages poor writing and thought. To the first point, I think it is simple thought that brings out the worst in people. Yes, Rob Biertempfel can make a poor remark about “basement bloggers” on Twitter, but it’s wholly possible for him to
(Understand that I do not use that example to single out Biertempfel as an individual–to reiterate a sentiment expressed by Charlie, many Pirates media members have said foolish things.)
To the second point, I don’t think that it’s fair to say that Twitter encourages poor writing or poor thinking. Like I said before, it forces people to condense their thoughts into the most essential ideas. How people go about meeting the 140-character limit is at the discretion of the individual, and not the platform; to blame the latter seems to me misguided because the former makes the decision. (There’s a good discussion to be had about the usage of language itself; I find this article to capture the challenges very well.)
I’m also skeptical of the idea that Twitter encourages poor thinking habits. Sure, my thoughts on how my day went may not amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world, but to simply dismiss those comments as uninteresting or of little value is quite crass. I’ll admit to being guilty of that more often than I’d like, but I don’t think it’s responsible to judge the worth of events and thoughts in another person’s life. By judging the worth of what someone should post, it is in effect a judgement of the worth of that content.
All in all, I don’t think it’s fair to say that different mediums of communication encourage intelligent or unintelligent thought one way or another. They change the way in which we express those thoughts, to be certain, but how we express things can be separated from what we are expressing.
by Kidspud on Sep 1, 2011 1:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with about 90%
of what you’ve said here.
As for composing a 140-character symphony, I would suggest anyone check out @Discographies . It’s a perfect example of the possibilities of twitter. Whoever writes this takes days, weeks and sometimes months to distill a band’s career (studio albums only) into the available space.
Yes, twitter can be a horrible minefield of “LOL I just took a dump,” but that is typically predicated on who you follow. None of the people I follow are like that.
I also admit that, a lot of the time (particularly during Pirates’ games), my own tweets are pointless, and at times, they are simply advertising (when a new Rumbunter podcast is released, f’rinstance), but every once in a while I let out a good one.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 1, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Every once in awhile
I let out a good fart, too. Doesn’t mean I should make them all public. ;-)
I knew as soon as I hit "post" that that was a poor choice of words.
Heh.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 1, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't mean
that the 140-character limit inevitably produces poor thought, more perhaps that the medium’s ubiquity and ready availability encourages a sort of absence of thought about the value of your thoughts, if that makes any sense. It has helped remove pretty much the last barrier between pure thought and publication for the world to read, and that’s not necessarily a good thing.
Think of it this way: My MiL is slipping inexorably into dementia, and the filters are going down. She now says pretty much whatever comes into her head, which can be uncomfortable in some social situations when she says things like, “Look at that woman!” out loud.
There used to be physical barriers to instant communication. Pre-telephone, you had to sit down and write a letter and compose your thoughts, and when you were done writing, you might read what you wrote and decide you were being intemperate or insensitive or just plain stupid, and tear it up, and no one but you was the wiser to what an idiot you could be. Or post-telephone, you had to first find a phone (there wasn’t one attached to the end of your arm) and then dial a number (no one-punch dialing) and then wait for the other person to answer. There was opportunity there to reconsider the harsh things you were about to say to the girlfriend you thought you saw out with another guy.
Now we’re coming close to a point where every thought is an instant communication, and while you (Kidspud) make an elegant and thoughtful defense of the medium, and I agree it certainly overstates for me to call it the death of civility, I see little but trouble ahead where your every thought can be almost instantly communicated to hundreds or thousands of readers.
Ask James Harrison how much Twitter has cost him, for instance.
The second part of the “lack of thought” was this notion that every thought you think is WORTHY of publication. I can choose to ignore your 1,000 IMs or Tweets a day if I choose to, and I do, but the notion you have that there’s that much of your life worth making public, well, you really ought to think about that a little, and if you’re not, then that constitutes lack of thought, IMO.
I enjoy Twitter quite a bit, but I’ve never used it to have a conversation with someone. If someone posts something I disagree with, I simply ignore it and move on. It’s not important.
I don’t follow Dejan or Perrotto, so maybe that’s why I don’t get steamed up by anything.
Twitter is simply a fantastic way to get information. I “follow” newspapers in Europe and South America, and get exposed to subjects I would never see in the U.S. media. Sure, I could visit all these newspaper Web sites, but that would take all day. Twitter is a much faster method of getting me to the stories I want to read. I don’t own a TV, so reading is my only way of getting news.
I also follow people who alert me to interesting news items, as well as good songs and movies.
Anyway, if you ever try Twitter, I think you just might like it. Just don’t follow columnists, because it’s their job to stir up opinions. And they rehash points over and over again — columnistitis.
LOOOOOOOONG post
I’m sure you all have been waiting with great anticipation for the Bucs Dugout Twitter wizard to chime in, so here you go.
A lot of you guys know the fact that I’m indeed pretty young; I feel like very early twenties on this site puts you near the bottom in age. So that being the case, Twitter has never really seemed foreign to me. Now, I’m not saying its foreign to some of you, and I’m not saying you’re all a bunch of old farts, but essentially the point I’m getting at is that when Twitter came along and started to exponentially grow, it never really felt like this zany, new agey, futuristic medium, it just felt like any new social media site. I’m mainly talking about people like my parents—who to be honest, could probably explain Twitter to you as well as they can explain Quantum Mechanics. As I said, this is foreign to them, and a lot of people who from their generation not only see it as foreign, but also just don’t really see the merits of it, and though their judgments are kind of blind and made without really taking a holistic look at Twitter, they’re offered fairly accurate.
I think Twitter’s great, and if you know me as the poster, you should know that. I have Twitter account that I check frequently throughout the day. Do I tweet? Yeah, I do. Not as much as I used to—maybe one tweet per couple days, but I occasionally do. If someone is subscribing to my account, it most likely means they made the conscious decision to do so. They clicked "FOLOW" and said, "Eh, I guess I’ll subscribe what Zach tweets." So because people are doing that, and about 200 people are doing so, I suppose a market minutely exists for people who give a shit about what I might say. Maybe not as much as Daniel Tosh, or Jon Stewart, or Kim Kardashian, or even Dejan Kovacevic, but people chose to put me on their timeline so why not post.
With that in mind, Charlie hit the nail on the head. Not to sound arrogant, but I consider myself to be a smart guy. I’m not a genius, but especially as a writer, I consider my talents to be pretty strong. When I go on Twitter, its pretty much just about making the joke, or the attention grabbing statement. I know some people I subscribe to send out multiple tweets at a time that are a combined hundreds, sometimes thousands of characters within the set, but I hate that. It isn’t just annoying to see on your timeline, but its confusing as hell because often other peoples tweets show up in between their string of submissions and just looks odd and unpleasing to follow. Piggybacking off another point Charlie made, yeah, don’t get me started on following back-and-forth conversations. First you need to click on this guys handle, then you need to click on his tweet, then you need to click on the dude he @mentioned, then you need to look for the tweet he responded off of, then you have to enter a 6-digit pass code, followed by an advanced calculus problem set, followed by triathlon, and finally ending with a riddle by troll under the bridge until you finally figure out how to properly trace back the origin of a Twitter conversation. Simple point: its confusing ass shit.
At the end of the day, you’re right—there is so much more value in trying to hold these kinds of discussions via print then Twitter. Honestly, do you really for example think that some esteemed financial analyst or beat reporter or politician or whoever has the account is saving his "A" work for Twitter? Hell no! They might tease an article there, but they aren’t going to reduce their best commentary into 140-characters, if you want that, just read their online articles or print work or hell, watch (evil) TV. My use of Twitter has mainly now boiled down to an easy and convenient way to get news. Before Twitter, I would spend the first couple of minutes in a pretty set routine—first I would go to this site, then the next, then the next, etc…. Now with Twitter, it’s all there. If I want to see what’s going on with ESPN, New Tork Times, Wall Street Journal, etc… it alls right there on your feed and that’s awesome. With that in mind, Charlie makes some great points I hope I did a half-decent job adding on to.
Twitter isn't the only internet intellectual wasteland...
Who can forget this great comment after Matt Bandi wrote a very long and detailed article?
YouTube comments. This is a good video about it. A lot of the comments at YouTube make Beavis and Butthead seem like sophisticated commentators on American culture.
Facebook comments can get really stupid too. No, Michelle, a computer virus cannot start your hard drive on fire. And no Jenny, that kid is not missing, he/she was found six weeks later. In 2003. And Dennis, the leaves changing colors and falling off the trees? It’s not global warming, it happens every f***ing September. You’re a year older than me, you should be really used to it by now. And Melissa, you never talked to me in high school. You have some nerve complaining about who I vote for now.
Also, the World of Warcraft forums can be a real IQ draining experience. And of course, the Smizik blog comments can make twitter seem pretty damned intellectual.
When it comes to twitter, I try to avoid having any sort of intellectual conversation there. I resisted having a twitter account for a very long time because I felt that I couldn’t really say what I thought in just 140 characters. Eventually I gave in and did it because I realized I was probably missing a lot of good stuff, which I was. But I also was missing a lot of crap. I mean, I follow Jose Canseco. Not because he writes anything even remotely interesting, but because he’s such a train wreck that it’s hard not to find it enjoyable.
So onto my love rocket, climb, Inside tank of fuel is not fuel, but love.
Why Lincoln sucks
Let me try a counterpoint to this:
We can certainly marvel in the command of Lincoln had between his reasoned thought and his speech. Likewise, we can also study the beauty of someone like Shakespeare’s command of the language. But here’s the thing — those people were geniuses. 99.9% of the population couldn’t even come close to matching that level of prose. It’s like improv comedy: if you watch someone like Tina Fey do it, it’s hilarious and you wonder why there isn’t more improv shows out there. If you go to your local community theatre to watch your neighbor do it, it’s hideously painful and you realize why.
We assume that because those old ways of writing are so complex that they must be better. Give Twitter some credit: it simplifies communication and, in general, simplicity is a better way to communicate. Kidspud wrote a reasoned, 500 word post above and Mr. E had a more memorable rebutal with 7 words. Most of the population can communicate reasonably well in 140 characters. It ain’t Shakespeare, for sure, but it usually gets its message across.
I will agree, though, that Twitter is a lousy place to have an argument.
I'm not impressed with Postman's argument
(as summarized for me by Charlie, anyway)
“Things were better in the old days” annoys me. For a few reasons:
1) We only remember the good things about the old days, and that turns into thinking that that’s all there was. We still read Shakespeare and Homer because they were awesome. We do not read the countless hacks that existed alongside of them because they were hacks and were terrible writers. The fact that Shakespeare existed when he did does not mean that everybody back then wrote like Shakespeare. Implying that political debates on the level of Lincoln/Douglas were the norm for that time period is equivalent to assuming that all ballplayers in Babe Ruth’s time were equivalent to Ruth because we’re not going to remember the scrappy utility player who hit .258/.318/.340. Unless his name his Rabbit Maranville and we put him in the Hall of Fame. But I digress.
2) Even were I to grant the premise that “media discourse was better way back when”, I don’t think Postman’s conclusion (the lack of context in the currently predominant modes of communication) follows. In Lincoln/Douglas’s time, the common, uneducated American was not a part of the discourse. The Lincoln/Douglas debates were not full of flowery prose because that’s how everybody communicated back then. They were full of flowery prose because the only people who paid attention and read them were the people who were educated enough to a) read and b) read flowery prose. Farmer Bob did not talk like that, and if he could even read, he sure couldn’t read and understand Douglas’s argument. There were plenty of political rags that existed at the time, but historians don’t care to remember them because only the average Joe fella read those and historians generally aren’t interested in what your average Joe was up to.
by matskralc on Sep 1, 2011 7:02 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Don’t forget that the music was more wholesome, teenage girls didn’t get pregnant, kids had respect for their elders, young folks had a better work ethic, and drug use wasn’t rampant. Oh wait…
Put on your dancin' shoes.
Yeah, that kind of thing
In addendum, Lincoln/Douglass debates do still exist. They just don’t occur in newspapers and aren’t generally conducted by politicians. That doesn’t mean that type of discourse has completely disappeared.
Although why people with websites of their own and paychecks to earn have given over so much of the product of their labor to another website that pays them nothing has always been a little confusing to me.
Ouch, you cut me to the quick!
Haha. Well-played. I earn practically nothing from this site, too.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 1, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
There's a better question:
Like how does twitter make enough money to survive and host the millions of twitter accounts?
So onto my love rocket, climb, Inside tank of fuel is not fuel, but love.
by IAPiratesFan on Sep 1, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, at least for the time being...
They must charge accounts that are “promoted” to get there, though I don’t know how much (probably varies according to their agreements, of course), and I’d posit that they’re probably paying a pretty penny because Twitter’s what all the cool marketers are paying for these days. I think they also do certain promotions with hashtags, too, and they pimp them in search results and certain timelines.
It’s an interesting revenue model, to be sure. I know in the early going they had issues with sufficient funding for their tech infrastructure, and they did quite a bit to throttle users (still struggle with it I’m sure, but it’s not as prominent now)
Holy Crap!
A squirrel on water skis!! Is there a link to that on youtube anywhere
What does that mean?!
Someone posted my summer holiday vids??
by BlindSquirrel on Sep 1, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Twitter is less depressing
Because I can ignore it. For some reason, I can’t ignore Pirates baseball, no matter how bad it gets. I’m drawn to it like a moth to one of those bug-zapper things.
I don't see twitter as being necessary.
Not for someone from the outside looking in.
I believe you do quite fine bringing pirates related tweet content to me, and other sites do the same for non-pirates related info. It’s generally a matter of seconds before it reaches here and say MLBTR… the content is then presented with more substance which is much appreciated.
Maybe it’s just age resistance, or that we had a lady get fired at work recently for saying bad things about the company (searching content rather than users… easily kills privacy), or the fact that I would only use it for what you already provide me in a much more expanded, well thought out presentation… to me it’s as necessary as a subscription to US magazine.
Are they still going with 24 players?
I’d hate to see them a man short again.
by sanny manguillen on Sep 1, 2011 9:54 AM EDT reply actions
Speaking of twitter . . . .
I don’t do the twitter, but shouldn’t there be something out there about callups?
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
They're probably in the process now, I'd think.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 1, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I realize
that I may be very much the exception to most folks today in that my idea of hell is always being reachable by anybody at any time. I want most people to leave me the hell alone. I’m also lazy and don’t care to learn much more technology than I absolutely have to. I think I operate at pretty much a bare minimum of what’s necessary to be reasonably conversant in today’s world and I’m happy with that.
This makes it very very tough to argue with me, and I’m happy with that too.
But really, I don’t yearn for the good old days (well, I do yearn for the days when the Pirates won with regularity, but that’s a different topic) and I certainly don’t want to leave the impression that I think any less of anyone here who is much more immersed in social media than I am. I don’t think that using those media necessarily make you stupid. But I DO think that while taken individually Twitter and its ilk seem to do little harm, the impact on society as a whole is a further coarsening of public dialogue, which to be honest was pretty lousy and getting worse before Twitter existed, or Facebook, or whatever.
It seems to me like social media have greased the skids for this decline, but I’m confident the decline was inevitable anyway. One example of this is the way every great communications device through recent history was almost immediately used to produce porn. (Wait, did I just say something bad about porn? Nevermind that.)
For instance, I’m pretty sure the second-ever phone message after “Watson, come here, I need you” was, “I bet dudes would pay $4.99 a minute to hear women talk dirty on this thing.”
by bucdaddy on Sep 1, 2011 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It seems to me like social media have greased the skids for this decline
I disagree with this. I don’t think there is really a decline of public dialogue. I think social media and the intertubes as a whole have simply exposed the reality of public discourse and behavior as whole. Nothing is hidden anymore. It’s all out there for anyone with an internet connection to see.
Put on your dancin' shoes.
The criticism of Twitter that I will grant, however
Is that I just cannot follow a conversation on it, especially when there are seemingly a million people going back and forth and retweeting this and hashtagging that. I don’t know how people do it.
"I don’t know how people do it."
By being selective about who you follow, short answer.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 1, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Say I’m following cocktailsfor2 and he keeps posting responses to somebody else. Or maybe there are three people all talking at him and he’s posting a single response to all of them. It’s just too much “Listening to one side of the conversation” to me, and I get confused trying to find and follow the other side.
Get off my lawn is what I think I’m saying.
But unless you go
to my actual feed, you won’t see the response I make directly to someone – it doesn’t show up in your timeline, unless you follow the person I’m talking to. For instance, when someone I don’t follow asks @rumbunter a question directly, unless Tom retweets it, I will never see it, or his reply.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 1, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't get too depressed, you'll get an ulcer.
I’m celebrating this, McDonald had a nice start and we are headed for a higher draft pick in a season that was over at the major league level long before it ever started. Yesterday was a good day, and the season from an entire franchise perspective has been a fantastic success.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
I don't really like Twitter.
Don’t have a problem with other people using it, but don’t use it myself, and probably never will. And I’d never trust any info that came from it unless I confirmed it somewhere else first.
Like any media, it depends on the source
If Jen Langosch reports a roster move on Twitter, is that really any different than her doing so on MLB.com? Similarly, if a less reliable source reports something on his/her blog, that doesn’t really make it more reliable than if it were done on Twitter.
If Jen Langosch reports a roster move on Twitter, is that really any different than her doing so on MLB.com?
Yeah, it is. If she posts it on MLB.com, she has room to talk about her source for the information, and there’s a layer of editorial control before it gets from her keys to your eyes.
there’s a layer of editorial control before it gets from her keys to your eyes.
Is this true, that there’s some kind of editor that Langosch has to go through in order to post something about Brian Burres being recalled from AAA?
I seriously doubt the editor fact checks...
I would think the MLB.com editor makes sure that the article is about Brian Burres and not Brain Burrez, but I doubt it goes beyond copyedits.
Could be.
I will say, though, that I’ve seen MLB.com writers screw up tweeted notifications of moves (see here for one example), but never seen one post a piece on MLB.com about a move that didn’t actually happen.
In my interview with Rob B. for Rumbunter I asked him how he decided what to tweet, and what to put on the Trib site:
“Usually the first thing I’ll do is, if it’s a significant story – a rain-out, a significant injury, a trade, even a significant roster move of some sort, I’ll send that to our internet site as breaking news, and they’ll put it up on the website right away. Usually it’s on the front page of the Trib – it may not get on the Pirates [section]. There’s a Pirates page on our website as well as the regular front page. They still think of our website as kind of like a newspaper with different sections and whatnot and [sighs] I’m not always sure that’s the best way to approach it. …
“… Then I’ll tweet just the bare bones of what happened – "Beimel’s elbow’s injured, could miss significant time," something like that. And that’s just the way I look at twitter: it’s more like, it should be called "teaser" because it’s just a way of sending out little snippets of news without really getting into big juicy details of it – where you throw a link out to pull people back into your site, or to pull them into a longer more explanatory type story.”
Full story (with more about how he decides what appears on twitter and what goes into the column) HERE
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 2, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
So we could call it
the largest billboard ever.
I dunno about you guys, but I generally hate commercials.
Well,
for sportswriters in particular, they want to direct people to the paper’s site for the hits to drive ad revenue… so, yes, for them it is, in a way. But also, a lot of their links do not direct readers to the paper’s site. So….
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 2, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i think the Twitter is proabably less depressing
but its still bad. I tore into Paul Zeise on Twitter yesterday. i have no idea what the guy has against Charlie Morton, but he is downright unprofessional when he discusses him. I cant stand it.
The Astros series on the other hand was the worst. I couldnt be more upset with the way we are finishing up the season. It sucks. I was a realist this year, but I still had some hope that we would finish respectable. Gettin whooped by the Astros was a swift kick to the balls.
twitter.com/iandavidjackson
Want more depressing...
tomorrow’s starter…Brian Burres.
@BrinkPGBill Brink
Brian Burres in #Pirates clubhouse, Jason Jaramillo has a locker
And THAT requires a 40 man move.
Pearce, prolly... to 60-day.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 1, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn...
I wish I’d quit having these brain cramps. No roster deletion necessary for the Burres move, since trading Diaz opened a slot.
They'll have to clear a spot for Meek, though
Without looking at the rotation in AAA, it seems to me you’d want to give Thompson another shot, just for funsies. Burres hasn’t even had a good season in AAA and he’s sure as hell not a prospect. I hate wasting opportunities on guys like that, even if it’s just one start. (And I’m concerned that it’s not.)
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
by WTM on Sep 1, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He's starting here in Chicago tomorrow (Friday).
I think I’m-a go to the Saturday or Sunday game, instead.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 2, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Sanchez
Sanchez’ value to the Giants in their championship season is irrelevant when discussing the trade. The Pirates gave up two months of Sanchez, during which he sucked for 25 games (OPS of .619, if I remember correctly). He spent the rest of that season on the DL. He was not going to be a Pirate the next year, as he turned down their contract offer and failed to meet the requirements to activate the option season in his contract.

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