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Padres Blow Out Pirates, 15-5

And to think there was actually a moment when it looked like the Pirates might cruise through this one. Jeff Karstens was dealing in the first, striking out Cameron Maybin and Chase Headley and getting Jason Bartlett to fly out, and then the Pirates got RBI singles from Neil Walker and Ryan Ludwick in the bottom of the inning. 2-0 Pirates - this game is easy!

Well, not so much. The Pirates and Padres exchanged blows throughout the rest of the first three innings, as every half inning after the top of the first featured scoring of some kind. And then the Padres broke the game open in the fourth, as Karstens allowed an RBI single by Luis Martinez, walked Jason Bartlett with the bases loaded, and allowed a grand slam by Chase Headley.

The Pirates promptly loaded the bases in the bottom half of the inning, but Pedro Alvarez just killed them by grounding into a double play to end the inning. It wasn't the first time, either - he'd GIDP'ed in the first inning, robbing the Pirates of a potentially huge inning, and then did it again in the third. (He also came up in the sixth and eighth, registering merely a strikeout and a groundout - boring!) It was one of the ugliest offensive performances in recent memory.

Meanwhile, the Padres kept hitting, adding homers by Kyle Blanks, Aaron Cunningham, and Jesus Guzman. Not that I saw much of that. Disgusted after Alvarez's three GIDP's, I asked my friends in the restaurant where I was eating if they'd mind if we moved to a table away from the TV.

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Changing tables?

I got in from work and it was 10-4 in the 5th inning.

Why even bother turning the game on at that point?

So onto my love rocket, climb, Inside tank of fuel is not fuel, but love.

by IAPiratesFan on Aug 6, 2011 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

not me..

…I watched the whole fu@#ing thing from first to last pitch.

by teke79 on Aug 6, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a lot of fun, huh?

I had to leave right after the Doumit homer, and following on my phone was killing me… oh dear.

by BurgherKing on Aug 6, 2011 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I went to the game. The team was embarassing, but so were the fans. No need to boo the home team, it does not help anything. People can’t handle their liquor.

by chodan11 on Aug 6, 2011 12:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I was there too...

I told my buddy that I was leaving if Pedro grounded into a third double play and I’m glad I did. And while I wasn’t booing, it was certainly deserved. I normally try to take a measured approach to these types of things, but I can’t remember a worse performance in recent memory.

by Bucs Fever on Aug 6, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I have a hard time blaming the crowd for giving Pedro the business. He was just awful with the bat yesterday – and his defense was nearly as bad. At least one error, plus several other plays that could’ve been made, but weren’t.

by Vlad on Aug 6, 2011 5:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with Bucs Fever and Vlad:

Alvarez stunk the joint up last night. He’s paid a lot of money to do a job and he hasn’t gotten it done yet. And he’s no “kid” anymore, and should get no passes from the criticism his play this year deserves.

パトリック

by patthatt on Aug 6, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

after the second gidp i agree

but when dude is walking back to the dugout to have some schlep chant triple a is just jacked up.

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Stealing 1st base still has his twitter hash tag Pedro Alvrez Bust going

because there are some good players with terrible first year’s

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
CM PUNK IS MY HERO
Canal Chronicles resident Steelers Fan

by WVPiratesfan on Aug 6, 2011 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

well it's multiple players

so it most likely should just be years

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
CM PUNK IS MY HERO
Canal Chronicles resident Steelers Fan

by WVPiratesfan on Aug 7, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

high points and reason to hope.

that was easily the worst performance i had ever seen all around by any mlb player…..ever. hopefully he got it all out of his system in one fail swoop, knida like clemente and lane. i think this one was FAR worse then the cubbies game for a few reasons.

1) all the little weak ass singles….talk about infuriating and it had to get into karstens head, they were just hard enough to get through the infield. and the fly balls were (other then the homerz lol) were just weak enough to fall for the most part. if thats not a sign i dunno what is.

2) it cant possible get any worse. i hope this is what thos in the financial buisness call a “correction”

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 1:45 AM EDT reply actions  

And the financial people may be getting another “correction” come Monday. So please don’t say it can’t get worse.

by Thunder on Aug 6, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh no

that wont be a correction…that good sire is what i like to call omfg…

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh and the game thread

was a thing of beauty tonight with all the angry folks not being there. talk about comic relief, i almost wet meh pants on several occasions.

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry I missed it, but working a 4-midnight shift can get in the way sometimes.

by Thunder on Aug 6, 2011 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

At one point, I asked my roommate how the Pirates could bang out 13 Hs and 3 BBs off Harang and only score 4 runs. I guess I know now.

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto

by blackjackfishtaco on Aug 6, 2011 2:50 AM EDT reply actions  

A Special Message from BucsFaninCa

For those of you who missed me in the game thread today, I told you so!

I will be boycotting the game thread as a protest until my demands are met:

Ryan dormant DSA!
Pedro Alvarez AAA!
Bring back JK!

by BucsFaninCA on Aug 6, 2011 3:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Corrections due to iphone typos:

Doumit DFA Pedro AAA
Bring back JAY HAY !!!

by BucsFaninCA on Aug 6, 2011 3:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I will be boycotting the game thread as a protest until my demands are met:

glad to hear you wont be coming back

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

sick of you.

not the time to rub it in. your demands are not smart from a baseball standpoint.

GOODBYE

by bbautista24 on Aug 6, 2011 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doumit’s HR was one of the only good things about yesterday’s game, and yet you want him off the roster?

Shows what you know about baseball, I guess.

by Vlad on Aug 6, 2011 5:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Also, who the fuck is Jay Hay? Jose Hernandez?

by Vlad on Aug 6, 2011 5:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

james harrison

this dude only posts this garbage to inflame the rest of the members imo….

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

if i even got the name right

its been so long since i’ve even seen the name its not even funny.

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

The football player?

Yeah, he’s a douche. He can quit anytime.

by bucdaddy on Aug 6, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

it started with a J

close enough

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

lolz, josh

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

The image in my mind of James Harrison

playing baseball reminds me of the iconic “Bo Knows” Nike commercials. Specifically, the one that ended with Jackson stumbling around on skates trying to play hockey — cut to close up of Wayne Gretzky: “Uh…, No.”

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Aug 6, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

bo jackson was a bad man

que the debate, if he woulda stayed in baseball would he have been a HoF’r?

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well oldtime,

I guess it depends on how much benefit more focus on and exposure to the game might have profited him. Moreover, how much would have the absence of football profited his hip. He was damn fun to watch.

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Aug 6, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

that guy

could hit for power, or just go with a single. had amazing range in the OF, blinding speed….just a sick sick ball player.

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really, really tired of hearing about the "Jay Hay" kid.

Josh Harrison, his poor glove, and his slap hit act are not what the Pirates need right now. He’ll be lucky if he sees 100 games for the Pirates in his career, and we’ll be lucky if we don’t need to use him even that much.

パトリック

by patthatt on Aug 6, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow

i watched the first inning and went to a local fair, i checked the score once and it was 5-2. didnt check it again because i was pissed. I get home to read about this abomination. ugh. to think i actually thought karstens would pull us out of this.

i dont even know what to say at this point. I am soo disheartened. i wanted them to continue soo badly. this might hurt worse than 18 straight years of losing. well i still have some hope that we can turn this around. so can i get a LET’S GO BUCS!!!!?

by bbautista24 on Aug 6, 2011 4:38 AM EDT reply actions  

we are what -2 i think

I would use this game as an instructional video with the sole purpose of validating the existence of the baseball gods. I’m sure at this point its obvious that Clemente does not sit on the board of directors, with as many balls that were just hard enough to get out of the infield and as many fly balls that were just weak enough to fall in no mans land that is a given. The season is far from over but the father we get from the start the closer we get to the end I guess.

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

The devil that is mean reversion.

I don’t see why everybody is so down, we are still playing well above the level of reasonable expectations at the start of the year. The MLB season was irrelevant from day 1, we knew 2011 was going to be a lost cause since the day Littlefield left office. We are having a pretty decent year in the minor leagues and have had nice contributions from young guys, we should continue to be excited for the future.

As for booing fans, who gives a fuck what they do as long as they are paying to be in the seats. I don’t care if Al Queda fills up the entire stadium as long as they are giving Huntington their money to put to work.

Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?

http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained

by Kosstic518 on Aug 6, 2011 5:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Rec’d well said

by timmyjr78 on Aug 6, 2011 7:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You make it sound like

our problems just started the day that they fired Littlefield.

by WestCoastBuc on Aug 6, 2011 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t care if Al Queda fills up the entire stadium

i do because that means two things. number one i ran outta ammo and number two somebody’s about to loose their head.

You do have a valid point. The reason everyone is so down is because a generation of fans tasted first place, something that the previous generation never got a sniff of. Everyone lost sight of the fact that this was a team that dropped 100 games last season, somehow that same team for the most part managed to go on an absolute tear from june to the all star break. I find it easy to see why everyone’s so down, but this is also the exact same reason everyone should be if not proud, excited for the future.

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spot on take here.

Although, you sound almost too sane.

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Aug 6, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

disagree
I don’t see why everybody is so down

… perhaps it’s the 10 losses in the last 11 games? I dunno… just a guess?

we are still playing well above the level of reasonable expectations at the start of the year.

at some point in the season, the relevance of start-of-year expectations dwindles to the point that they’re negligible… by the time you get past the 100 game mark, I would think that current year performance weighs pretty heavily on expectations for the remainder of the season…

The MLB season was irrelevant from day 1

not so much… several of the most important players in the franchise are at the major league level this year and their performance and development is extremely important to the major league club’s success over the next few years… furthermore, a repeat of last year’s 105 loss disaster would have portended some terrible consequences for the club…

we knew 2011 was going to be a lost cause since the day Littlefield left office

yogi berra once said that making predictions is hard, especially about the future… back in 2007, we also “knew” certain things about jose bautista… oops… if expectations from the preseason have dwindled in importance, expectations from 2007 should be irrelevant at this point…

We are having a pretty decent year in the minor leagues and have had nice contributions from young guys

… is this really true? here’s charlie’s top 30 prospects list from may… there’s a bunch of guys on that list – especially in the top half – who have had disappointing years (sanchez, allie, owens, morris, wilson, locke, von rosenberg, lambo)… and that’s not counting pedro alvarez, whose season has been a complete failure…

by Captain Easychord on Aug 6, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

People are far too results oriented with the lower level guys like Allie and ZVR. We know that the organization emphasizes fastball command at lower levels, which can easily lead to them getting lit up since they throw mostly fastballs. But if his fastball command improves, it’s a success even if he gives up 8 runs. Results just don’t matter until they reach higher levels, it’s about improvement.

by thecheeseisblue on Aug 6, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

and also...

as a more general response, for the last 13 years, the pirates have tormented their fans with baseball that has been mostly unwatchable and unenjoyable… but this year – even if the team isn’t great on paper, they have been fun to watch… and sure, you can say, “well they’re just going to go back to sucking soon”… but nobody likes that guy…

everybody here wants to see the pirates win… just as much, watching the team lose as often and in as many ways as it has over the last 11 games provides a stark reminder that the fans don’t want to return to the misery they have experienced over the last decade or so… and if you don’t get that – if you haven’t suffered through the painful losing years… if you haven’t enjoyed the on-field success the team has had this season… if the whole experience is devoid of any emotion and reduced to numbers on a spreadsheet… the yeah, you might not get it… but in that case, why are you paying any attention at all?

by Captain Easychord on Aug 6, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry guys this might last for a while

i dont think i’m going to be able to get to a game until at least the home series vs the reds. looks like my magic cant end the streak…..

Thats what she said! - Michael Gary Scott

by C Shint on Aug 6, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Giants have lost 8 of 9

and getting their own kickass from the Phillies. Happens to the best. We need to take 2, jump on S.F. while they are down, and get back on track.

by Central*Scrutinizer on Aug 6, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Hard to argue with that

Then all we’ve got to do is sweep the Brewers in their place and we’re right back in the thick of the race.

by WestCoastBuc on Aug 6, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Pirates promptly loaded the bases in the bottom half of the inning, but Pedro Alvarez just killed them by grounding into a double play to end the inning. It wasn’t the first time, either – he’d GIDP’ed in the first inning, robbing the Pirates of a potentially huge inning, and then did it again in the third. (He also came up in the sixth and eighth, registering merely a strikeout and a groundout – boring!) It was one of the ugliest offensive performances in recent memory.

I didn’t see Pedro’s whiff and final ground out, but… Pedro hit the ball hard on two of his three DPs. Ted Williams once said (I’m paraphrasing from memory) that he knows he’s hitting well when he hits the ball hard. He’s doesn’t judge his performance by the final result. He judges it by the one thing he can reasonably control: His putting the bat on the ball.

The only ugly aspect of Pedro’s play last night was the booing he heard. Let us not turn into a second rate Philadelphia fan base.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Aug 6, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

welcome to the pedrodefender club

i iz chariman of zee board. prepare to be flamed by a lot of people, some smart, some not so much

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont hate the guy but...

There is serious problems with him. I hope he figures it out. I use to think he will be another Mark Reynolds but now I believe he will be worse than him on offense and defense but man I hope he proves me wrong.

by Joey Mooney on Aug 6, 2011 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong,

I only saw one weird replay angle, but if they’d needed a double play on his final groundout they would have got another one.

Amazing that even with three DPs we still stranded 16 runners.

by bucdaddy on Aug 6, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're wrong.

The 2B was stumblin’, and it only would have resulted in 1 out.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Aug 6, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last night blew...

Yeah… that is it… Now positives… Doumit hits major league pitching far better than minor league. Hurdle says don’t expect a lot I think he has been great and showing decent defense too. Ludwick has shown to be pretty decent too. JONES has been swinging a hot bat. Offense is clicking. Get lee back settle down and try to win these two and get back on the road and get these guys to clear their heads!

by Joey Mooney on Aug 6, 2011 10:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i havent been pleased with his d

he doesn’t do the fundamental things to stop passed balls that fort does. we’ve seen a couple already. but his offense has been far better. its give and take, you want d, no passed balls and a chance to gun down runners, go with fort. you need a bat, go with doumit

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

a couple being 1 that i know of for sure

and a few blocks that runners advanced on cause he had issues finding the ball

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

They throw out same percentage...

Doumit gives this team a better chance to win! But I like these two over Snyder. Keep doumit fresh and not have him catch more than 70 percent.

by Joey Mooney on Aug 6, 2011 10:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

not that high

i would rather have fort catch morton and maybe paulie so they can throw sinkers and curves in the dirt and not worry about passed balls. but both give us a decent chance at winning, just in different ways. juts my two cents…

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you...

Fort has started to swing better too. You would probably agree that our pitchers make it easy for guys to steal bases. I believe wood gives us a better chance to win playing third rather than Pedro but that is something that they simply can’t do cause Pedro development is key for 2012 and beyond.

by Joey Mooney on Aug 6, 2011 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

wood doesnt give us a better chance to win imo

there is a lot wrong with pedro right now. there are times he wants to pull every thing, that was evident last night. he hit 370ish during the cubs series, one rough game and everybody is ready to bench him. yes he had a bad atl and philly series…but who didn’t? yes he’s having a terrible year, but this isn’t overbay, you cant just send him packing (back to the minors or otherwise). he wont see the ab’s he needs to as a ph and spot starter. just my thoughts

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Aug 6, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's damaging these losses are happening at home, especially

to the likes of Chicago and San Diego. Not having seen these games, I can only assume the frustration level is unbelievably high among everyone in the organization. Perhaps some of the players are pressing, and that’s leading to even more frustration. When this losing string began in Philly, I think Brewers were beginning to put together a winning streak, and that could have played a role in this situation. Players unaccustomed to a playoff race in August can react in different ways, especially when those same players were on a 57 win team the year before.
 
Combined with the pitching issues, it’s tough to watch. That said, there is time to make this a memorable season, looking at the schedule, there is another home stand August 15-24 versus St. Louis, Cincy, and Milwaukee. I refuse to believe these players have forgotten to win, rather, the law of averages has kicked in. This club was living on the margins for some time, overcoming injuries, while the pitching staff far exceeded expectations.

It’s natural to assume some people will lose faith during this rough patch, especially after the ugly loss last night. Three months cannot magically erase 18 years, and the reality is going from 57 wins to the playoffs is like winning the lottery when we’re talking about the history of baseball.

As diehard fans, let’s not let the frustration get us down. The club is very much in play for .500 or better, and the magic we saw in July can still return later this month and into September.

by SteelStealth on Aug 6, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

The way I see it, the players can get angry or get panicky

So far this year they have gotten pissed and turn things around. I am waiting ……

by BobDH on Aug 6, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we'll say that everynight

But it’s getting harder to believe haha.

Well at least it’ll feel that much better when we get a win. Man, what happened? Someone murdered Cinderella

by dulciusXasperis on Aug 6, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cindarella story is over!

Too bad they just lost 8 in a row and their playoff hopes are gone…it was a nice run

by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 6, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

that it was

wish it would have lasted longer. Honestly didn’t see this coming.

by dulciusXasperis on Aug 6, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

It hurts...

It was my first day here and dam near got banned for calling S Pearce names. I’m really sorry if I offended anyone.

Talk about a bad day…join a web community, get banned, our team gets spanked again.

..I’m going to church tomorrow.

I’m serious

by teke79 on Aug 6, 2011 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

I was planning to take a look at the game thread to see how the community was reacting to all of this, but maybe I better not. I can’t imagine what you might have said that almost got you banned in just one day given the routine obscenity laced rants one reads from long-time posters.

I’m pretty disappointed in Pearce too, but he is not the only one.

P.S. I hope the sermon is illuminating and that the singing is in tune or at least close.

by WestCoastBuc on Aug 7, 2011 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

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