Logan Morrison - A Pirate?
I would say it is not at all irrational to expect the Florida Marlins to shop Logan Morrison this winter. The reason:
Florida Marlins left fielder Logan Morrison has filed a grievance against his team for what he believes was a wrongful demotion last month.
Morrison, 24, was sent to the minors Aug. 13, shortly after hitting third in the batting order in a game that night. At the time, the Marlins told Morrison the demotion was for baseball reasons - citing his ".240s" batting average as the reason for the demotion.
But hours before the game, Morrison had skipped a team meet-and-greet with season-ticket holders.
The next day, Marlins president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest told reporters Morrison needed to learn more about "being a major leaguer."
Sports teams, like other economic organizations, do not care much for malcontents, and it is obvious that Morrison now has a personal and legal grievance with the Marlins.
That said, I doubt that the Pirates will acquire Morrison from the Marlins. My reason for doubting this will happen has nothing to do with the mechanics of the potential trade or the players the Pirates could offer for Morrison. It has a lot to do with the risk Morrison poses to the Pirates. Consider this quote by Morrison:
"I'm doing this because I'm standing up for what's right," Morrison told ESPN.com this week. "If I thought it was because of my performance on the field, then I wouldn't be filing a grievance."
And this passage from the ESPN article, which includes a Morrison quote :
Should the Marlins lose in arbitration, it would mean not much more than having to repay the lost wages, plus any interest. But it also means that one of their young, rising players has alleged the team was breaking the collective bargaining agreement-a serious charge.
Morrison said the money is not what the grievance is about.
"I'm doing it just not for myself but for other players," Morrison said. "I didn't want to file a grievance, but it happened. I want to put it in the past and move on. But you've got to take a stand somewhere and based on the guidance of my agent and the players' association, I filed this grievance. Now I just want to move on and play baseball."
I believe any team would find it easier to accommodate a jagoff like Hanley Ramirez than it would an aware individual who knows and is willing to defend his individual rights and who will take personal economic risks in order to defend the collective rights he shares with others. Tolerating player tardiness and sloth, such as one would expect from Ramirez, is a much easier chore than managing someone who generates legal issues for the team.
My bet is the Pirates will avoid this particular headache even though Morrison is the type of player they need and the Marlins may seek to trade him this fall.
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Knee jerk reaction
I have nothing to base this on other than just an overall impression, but my guess would be that the Pirates wouldn’t be eager to add an agitator to the team that would be liable to bad mouth management in the press and to inspire mutiny among his team mates.
Personally, I cheer a guy standing up for himself and “stickin’ it to the man” but, at the same time, can’t say I necessarily want Norma Rae on our team even if she does have an .800 OPS.
but Sally Fields can switch hit!
and really fly around the bases.
When she wears that nun hat
she can really fly around the bases
I’d take Morrison in a miniute, rabble-rouser or not. He’s smart and articulate, and an extremely talented player to boot.
I wonder what the Marlins would want in return?
+1. He can hit.
Big deal, he tweets. I haven’t seen anything he’s said that was so bad. Plus, he’s been through this circus so he’s likely to keep it in check from now on. Perfect.
Suppose they’d trade him for Starling Marte?
by my dixie wrecked on Sep 15, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you on this one.
Also consider the source here. Isn’t Loria supposed to be the biggest douchebag in all of MLB? I mean, if this was a quiet or well respected owner (Someone like Wilpon used to be) then I’d have concern about Morrison.
Fact is, he’d be a long-term and short-term solution.
Also, why so many of you bashing Morrison for this? The dude has been one of the best offensive players on the Marlins and he spouts off and gets demoted. That’s fine?
I get
it. Maybinnnnn
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Sep 17, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rather trade for Colby Rasmus
and hope he burns the Cards 18 games a year.
Florida Marlins left fielder Logan Morrison has filed a grievance against his team for what he believes was a wrongful demotion last month.
Enough read, please no cancer here.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Sep 15, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
He pretty much got demoted because of what he said
not his performance. He has a legitimate beef. Sometimes, its good to read the whole story.
by Wizard of Woz on Sep 15, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry ?
He’s been demoted for 2 reasons
“.240s” batting average as the reason for the demotion.
or
Morrison had skipped a team meet-and-greet with season-ticket holders.
& personnaly, I’m not sure to like the 1st option… neither the 2nd.
Certainly its good to read the whole story
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Sep 15, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Surely, any management team that brushes aside a 116 OPS+ because of an average “in the .240s” deserves any grievance filed against them.
It was stupid when it happened, everyone questioned it, and the fact that he was recalled after ten days shows that there was more involved than getting him to work on his swing.
Certainly, it’s good to have reading comprehension
Thank you Ned Colletti.
I'm confused
as to why a team can’t demote their players for “off-field issues.” I guess if that gives him legitimate beef than they should have just suspended him. If I’m working for a law firm in a few years (fingers crossed) and I just fail to show up at a dinner with a client, I sure as hell won’t be able to use “but I won this other case” as an excuse. There would be severe repercussions and possibly a pink slip in my future.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Sep 15, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If I’m working for a law firm in a few years (fingers crossed) and I just fail to show up at a dinner with a client, I sure as hell won’t be able to use "but I won this other case" as an excuse. There would be severe repercussions and possibly a pink slip in my future.
Union contracts cover these issues. You wont have one of those working for a law firm.
s.zielinski
He was also told by the Marlins’ player rep (Wes Helms – who was released the same day LoMo was demoted) that he could miss the meet-and-greet. He got the wrong information from his union rep and was penalized for that. I can see his side of the story on this one.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Sep 15, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If I'm not mistaken this was a voluntary meet and greet with the season ticket holders
it wasn’t a mandatory thing
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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 16, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That's exactly my point
He wants to file a grievance because he’s been demoted 10 days after skipping a meeting with season tickets holders.
I certainly won’t feel sorry for him, no sir
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Sep 15, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't his .240 BA...
When he was sent down, Morrison was second on the Marlins in OPS, second with 17 homers and third on the team with 60 RBIs.
Then came the Aug. 13 meet-and greet with season-ticket holders, which Morrison skipped after union rep Wes Helms told Morrison he could. After the game that night, Helms was released and Morrison demoted.
Players cant’ be demoted for disciplinary reasons, in general – they can be suspended by the team for such, but not demoted.
Them saying he was sent down because of his BA is simply trying to explain it away without getting in hot water.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 15, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
with hindsight, I would understand why he has a legal grievance with the fishs :
he’s doing this because he just wants out now.
"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"
by Elektrostal_Kid on Sep 15, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
"wants out now"
…entirely possible.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 15, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a different read on the situation
I believe any team would find it easier to accommodate a jagoff like Hanley Ramirez than it would an aware individual who knows and is willing to defend his individual rights and who will take personal economic risks in order to defend the collective rights he shares with others
I understand what you’re saying, and many managers probably share your philosophy. But I suspect that traits like laziness and immaturity are harder to “correct” than someone who is, as you say “aware” and articulate and simply disagrees with team policy.
Seems like someone could befriend Mr. Morrison and politely explain to him “Look, we love your individuality, but let’s use that in a way to promote the team, rather than work against our interests.”
I dunno. I’d rather reason with a smart guy who I disagree with than try to badger a moron.
I'm undecided about the Pirates acquiring Morrison
I’d need to know if Morrison was someone who looks for conflict or just found himself in conflict which he needed to address through a grievance. In other words, I’d perform due diligence before attempting to acquire him.
By the way, guys like Morrison appears to be are not correctable. They think for themselves. That’s what makes them annoying!
A jagoff, on the other hand, might produce, but can be discarded when he fails to produce or when his presence becomes so counterproductive that his on-field production fails to make up for his off field disruptions.
s.zielinski
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By the way, guys like Morrison appears to be are not correctable. They think for themselves. That’s what makes them annoying!
I hope I’m missing some sarcasm here. Otherwise, that’s the single most disgusting quote I’ve ever read on this board.
by RetireNutting on Sep 15, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't imagine
what’s annoying about people who “think for themselves”… Ask Berlin circa 1938 what you get when folks don’t.
by RetireNutting on Sep 16, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Why go so far back in history
Look at politics in the USA today. Independent, critical minds are not welcome here.
s.zielinski
Oh I know.
I just can’t see a good reason to buy in to that mindset individually or willingly.
by RetireNutting on Sep 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you saying I support that mindset?
s.zielinski
your comments seem to suggest you do?
calling Morrison and guys of his ilk “annoying” and uncorrectable for their free-thinking ways connotes a negative stance.
by RetireNutting on Sep 18, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
I had no problem with Morrison filing a grievance against the Marlins. If I were in Huntington’s position, I would perform a due diligence investigation into the incident in order to cut down the risk involved in acquiring a player willing to file a labor grievance. That said, everything I know about this situation points to the Marlins as the guilty party.
But, having said that, I’d be surprised to see the Pirates acquire Morrison because he filed a grievance against the Marlins.
s.zielinski
“I’m doing it just not for myself but for other players,” Morrison said. “I didn’t want to file a grievance, but it happened. I want to put it in the past and move on. But you’ve got to take a stand somewhere and based on the guidance of my agent and the players’ association, I filed this grievance. Now I just want to move on and play baseball.”
Sounds like he was, somewhat strongly, talked into it.
Morrison
There were many years where DL and McClatchy treated Pirate players crappy, and the organization was dysfunctional to the point that players wanted out or didn’t want to come here. I don’t think the organization has that reputation any longer. They have been able to sell themselves to players like Josh Bell as a quality place to come and get “the whole package” of development. The players that we’ve had clashes with (Capps, Gorzelanny, Snell) were resisting the mental/physical development practice that Huntington has introduced.
If Morrison were to embrace this style of development help (honest assessments with detailed plans for improvement), he would fit fine. If he were to want to do things his own way, he wouldn’t fit in.
i would take both malcontents
off their hands in a heartbeat if the price was right.
by nycbucsfan on Sep 15, 2011 8:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'd be for trading for Morrison
and I’d be for him treating the Bucs FO the EXACT same way should they fail to violate his rights under the collective bargaining agreement. Labor is a much more valuable commodity than capital and I’d always support any instance of labor sticking it to capital … those who do v. those who invest and control what those who do, do. One of the biggest failings of our society is that moving money makes too much money. Here’s one more example of capital trying to put upstart labor in its place.
Wow.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
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by Kosstic518 on Sep 15, 2011 11:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This would be a really savvy move if we can pull it off
170games -20.6 UZR just 1.9 WAR
I think it’s safe to say he should be playing 1B, which severely limits his value and market. Who would be interested?
LAD have Loney who has actually bounced back a bit this year but still looks like a non-tender candidate.
The Giants need a bat but doubtful they give up on Belt just yet.
The Cubs and Rays both have FA-to be 1B that they would like to bring back but could also show interest.
The Orioles and Mariners would seem to be interested even with Smoak out in Seattle and a potential Mary Reynolds move on the way.
Daric Barton has fallen off a cliff for the A’s and it just smells like a Beane move so I won’t rule them out either.
Basically, I don’t see nearly as big a market as people seem to be suggesting. I’m sure a few of the AL teams would jump in due to his versatility to DH or spot start in COF as well but when you add in being a malcontent, his price shouldn’t be too high. A RP, back end SP prospect and maybe another C – C+ guy.
The article that everyone is referring to here...
doesn’t really detail what happened. This one…also on ESPN.com does. Puts it in an entirely different light. Frankly, I think the Pirates could do a lot worse than trying to get him
by Thunder on Sep 15, 2011 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
thanks for the link
Great article.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Sep 15, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Horrible
She thinks Tom would have reminded his son [Logan Morrison] he still had a long way to go before he earned the right to stand on his principles.
One does not have to earn the right to stand on one’s principles; one has a duty to stand on one’s principles.
s.zielinski
That is a great article
I really enjoyed reading it.
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Lomo is a class act. Does tons of charity work and is plugged into the Miami and local scene.
He has a big personality and it comes through his tweets. He has a great sense of humor and seems to lack the ego of most baseball players (star or not). He doesn’t lob grenades at management, but does mildly call them out when their is something he disagrees with.
I’d bring him here in a heartbeat to play 1b or one of the corner out field slots. Besides the big 5 (Tallion, Allie, Sanchez, Bell and Cole), I’d give up just about anything else in the farm to get him (Marte).
I'd not trade Marte
His ceiling is too high.
s.zielinski
For Morrison? I'd do it.
Marte’s absolute, 99th-percentile ceiling is probably a .320/.370/.450 player with great defense in center field. Obviously, that’s an outstanding player, but it’s not really that much better than Morrison’s ceiling. And It’s worth noting that Morrison likely isn’t done growing: he’s only 24 (or, in other words, a little more than a year older than Marte).
Obviously, I’d prefer to get Morrison for something less than Marte, if we were to actually attempt to pry him off the Fish. Swapping those two straight-up would probably be about even value, though.
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Why would the baseball value need to be even?
Morrison, if the Marlins trade him, would be tainted goods. The fact that he’s tainted goods explains the trade. Therefore, this taint would diminish Morrison’s trade value.
Put differently, would you trade McCutchen for Morrison?
s.zielinski
Obviously, I’d prefer to get Morrison for something less than Marte, if we were to actually attempt to pry him off the Fish. Swapping those two straight-up would probably be about even value, though.
And no, of course not, because that trade isn’t a good one even on baseball value.
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Certainly....
I think you COULD get him for less than Marte (for all the reasons you stated), but he probably really is worth something like Marte.
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How?
less than 2 WAR career. Marte could probably do that next year just by playing great CF D and hitting like Ronny Cedeno.
2 WAR in just over a season's worth of ABs....
….plus he’s playing out of position in LF, and his horrendous D there really hurts his WAR #. Put him at first, and that instantly gets better.
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His hitting would be below avg. at 1B
and maybe his D gets to average but that’s no guarantee. Marte is still way more valuable. Grossman is a better starting point and I’d look at my other options before I did that too.
His hitting might be below avg at 1B...
but it would be an improvement over what the Pirates have gotten out of 1B for the last few years.
Two former 1st rounders
Struggling to maintain top prospect status and a good but (so far) not great major leaguer for ‘Cutch? That’s a big no for me.
I’d trade Cutch for Stanton and one of those two but LoMo’s not enough of a centerpiece.
by KentuckyPirate on Sep 17, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
two major league starters in the infield, both of whom have high ceilings and one already contributing, plus a good LHP prospect not far from the show?
you do realize that some value Stanton higher than cutch, right? none on this board, however.
I really like Stanton
and while I personally think Cutch is the better player, I could understand why some would consider him the better player.
I’m just not that high on Dominguez or James. Dominguez was very good in A ball in ‘08 but has been pretty mediocre for three years now. He is young, so he could obviously rebound but he hasn’t hit well in a long time now. James is also young but he has stuggled at limiting baserunners throughout his minor league career so far. I would take Stanton and one of them for Cutch because I think we’re getting the better of that deal. I would not take LoMo and both because I think we’d be risking too much that both of those guys rebound and I see no indications that make that seem likely.
by KentuckyPirate on Sep 19, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
both morrison and dominguez would be starters on our current pirates team
this, of course, depends on what alvarez would bring to the table in 2012. and james could be a nice throw in.
you say you will take stanton and one of them for cutch because we would get the better deal, which means nothing like that will never ever happen. stanton isnt going anywhere. because of his huge power potential, he would cost more than cutch. in fact, i believe you could get josh johnson in a trade before you could get mike stanton.
Dominguez isn’t ready to be starting, IMO.
The Marlins don’t think so, either – there was just an article this morning about how they’re going to make a big push for Aramis Ramirez in free agency this offseason, for exactly that reason.
I agree on Stanton going nowhere. The Marlins refused to include him in a Bay deal, and he wasn’t an established star at that point.
He shouldn’t be starting for anybody next year – us or them. Even if we had him, we’d be better off with Walker at 3B and D’Arnaud at 2B.
(I’m not trying to shit-talk Dominguez. He’s a decent prospect, and he’s got a really good glove. He just needs another year of development time.)
i get ya
but Walker is still going to be at 2B next year, no matter what any of us say.
by white angus on Sep 20, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know...
at the rate Pedro is going, Walker may be our 3B of the future. Pedro isn’t winning any points with management these days.
Not really true
I think Stanton is a higher-value player than McCutchen.
- Stanton has an OPS of .893 at age 21, and has a lot of upside.
- Cutch has an OPS of .828 at age 24 (after .836 as a rookie and .814 last year.)
I know McCutchen plays a more valuable position on defense, but the Pirates have Tabata and Presley (as well as Gorkys and Marte) who can play CF. I would jump all over a straight-up McCutchen for Stanton deal, but I doubt very seriously that the Marlins would even consider it.
totally agree
right now, stanton has huge XBH potential, and those big bombs make him extremely valuable… imagine his power potential in a hitter friendly environment
cutch may be the better overall player, but as long as stanton is putting up 40 bombs a year, he’ll get more notice. cutch would have to improve across the board to get the same attention
for the record, i would rather have cutch because he has the talent to be a better "hitter" than stanton
but IMO cutch is NOT untradeable.
Another thing about LoMo
let's do it!
As a twitter all-star myself, i can tell that LoMo is a legit dude and IS NOT a clubhouse cancer. dude can read and is witty and stuff. I think I try to go GFJ and Alex Presley maybe a pitcher of Rudy Owens ilk and try to get LoMo and one of those good underappreciated Marlins relievers. LoMo at 1B makes all the sense in the world to me. Obviously a trade like that would be a huge win for us but the Marlins might do something stupid because of his continued “misbehavior”
Again
in 1/3.5 the playing time, Presley has been worth .9 less WAR, can backup CF and is not a trouble maker. We shouldn’t need to give up that much.
I was thinking along similar lines until I realized he wouldn't play the outfield, he'd play first base
Obviously he’d have to hit a lot better but from the looks of it his minor league numbers show that he has the potential to hit better, especially in the OBP department.
One thing people forget about LoMo
he is out of position in LF and he went out there for the good of the team. So obviously he is not a selfish jagoff
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The team desperately needs talent.
If Morrison and his left-handed stick were available then the Pirates should definitely make an offer. He is very yound and would be an outstanding addition to the Pirates.
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