Pirates Two-Hit In Loss To Diamondbacks
by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 20, 2011 1:01 AM EDT
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The Pirates wasted a strong last start by Jeff Karstens as Ian Kennedy and the Diamondbacks struck out 13 Bucs and held them to two hits.
One of those was a one-out triple by Alex Presley off J.J. Putz in the ninth with a score of 1-0. Unfortunately, Neil Walker grounded out and Andrew McCutchen struck out to end the game.
Justin Upton scored the only run for the Diamondbacks with a solo homer in the sixth. Kennedy had 12 strikeouts in eight innings and picked up his 20th win of the season.
With the way the Pirates have hit in the last, oh, seven or eight years, it's amazing that they don't get no-hit about twice a season.
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You left out
only one walk, too, but maybe that goes without saying.
I count
17 games this year where we had 0 or 1 walk with 9 or more strikeouts, and another four that had 0/1 walk and 8 Ks.
…Man that’s depressing
"WHITESNAKE! DOKKEN! NIGHT RANGER!" -- Ronny Cedeño
by Superstar25 on Sep 20, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember all that Manager of the Year talk about Clint Hurdle? Yeah…not so much. This team threw in the towel weeks ago.
On another note: That’s an impressive nose.
Yeah, you can put a duplex in that thing.
You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu
by IAPiratesFan on Sep 20, 2011 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Hah!
I came in here just to write “Check the honker on the FOX chick.”
(Assuming you didn’t mean the nose on Putz.)
Y'know,
I made fun of her up there, but looking at other photos of Jody (yeah, I Googled), she’s fairly attractive, nose or no nose. One thing clear, it doesn’t appear she’s had much, if any, construction work done, enlarging or reducing, if you get my drift (beyond whatever on-air makeup she uses). She looks natural and human, and reasonably pretty. There’s nothing wrong with that.
I should have written
“nose and all.” She would lose SOME attractiveness if she had no nose.
And now let’s go to Lady Voldemort for an on-field interview…
by Aphthakid on Sep 20, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
IF she did lose her nose....
It’s probably just alien poachers, hunting humans without a license.
You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu
by IAPiratesFan on Sep 20, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
"She would lose SOME attractiveness if she had no nose."
True.
Ask Michael Jackson.
.
.
…Too soon?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
someone told me the pirate game was on and i replied is it April already?
I really had no idea that they “played” today. I long for the days when the Pirate game was the highlight of my day.
Top of the 9th, one out, man on 3rd and Walker nor Cutch could get him in? Good grief and good luck with that extension Andrew.
Here’s hoping ownership invests in some major league hitting talent the next couple year. Without more offense and/or better plate discipline, these teams will top out at 68-73 wins.
For the past 45-60 days, they’ve put a pretty bad product on the field.
How about the decision not to send Presley on contact on the Walker Grounder to first that was bobbled?
Any other time, Hurdle sends a slower runner and they get gunned down. This time, Presley is held (Cutch on deck?) and he would have scored easily. FoxSportsAZ showed Hurdle slamming his fist on the railing, cussing, and diving into the dugout.
by Central*Scrutinizer on Sep 20, 2011 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions
But if it hadn't been bobbled,
he’d have been dead at the plate. That’s why Hurdle was so pissed.
For once, I give CH a pass – you’ve gotta think that either NFW or Cutch is gonna do the job.
Well, most of the time – not so much lately…
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 20, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
The first thought I had was “Stay at 3B!”
You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu
by IAPiratesFan on Sep 20, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Upton's HR was on a broken bat
Was amazed he got virtually no mention in the FoxSportsAZ postgame.
by Central*Scrutinizer on Sep 20, 2011 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I imagine Max Hall's inner dialog is going something like this:
Man this is embarassing, I’m used to staring at the female reporters breasts in interviews, I can’t stop staring at that thing on her face. What the hell is that? Oh no, what did she just ask me? God, can we we get a broad in here with a rack, please? Quick, I need a cliche.
I think
that sort of getup is pretty typical in the southwest. Playing up the whole we-revere-the-native-Americans-we-stole-this-land-from angle.
Native American?
Look closely. It says “WVU” across the bosom.
That means we should set fire to it in the street after the LSU game.
Take it off her first, of course.
We have a serious K problem...
…on both sides of the ball.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
by Kosstic518 on Sep 20, 2011 6:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Great call not sending Presley
We are not going to catch the Cubs and Padres by being aggressive. Well done!
And if they had sent him and the 1B hadn't bobbled the ball and gunned him down at the plate
You’d have written “Great call sending Presley on contact with Walker and Cutch coming up. Well done!”
by WestCoastBuc on Sep 20, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Playing it safe 20 games back
at the end of a dismal last 2 months of the season doesn’t seem right to me. It’s not like it was Fort or Doumit at 3B. So, no, I truly believe I would have been happy if they sent him regardless of the outcome. It’s not like Cutch is tearing it up these days anyway.
by pineapplepete on Sep 20, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I get what you mean now
Hurdle made the right call if we had still been in the race, but since we’re 20 games back (is that all?) he should have sent Presley in that spot.
by WestCoastBuc on Sep 20, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is why you draft position players
with the best contact skills. To think we could have had Rendon and Bell.
we were winning with stellar pitching through 100 games...
and now we’re back to we need to draft hitters.
okay.
Runs are Runs are Runs
created or saved.
by Wizard of Woz on Sep 20, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I just think the top available hitters
are more apt to make it to the Big Leagues than a pitcher. I would draft players who have shown good plate discipline, high batting average, low strikeout ratio, with a good glove of course. I thought Rendon fit that mold nicely. I understand your sarcasm and you are correct that pitching is key. However, I just felt with the Bucs horrible offense and several quality arms drafted over the past few years it was time to load up on position players.
by pineapplepete on Sep 20, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
name the last team that won without good/great starting pitching...
go ahead. i dares ya.
by white angus on Sep 20, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
hmmmm, how about a team that played on color televisions?
by white angus on Sep 20, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The Dodgers have good pitching every year
and never seem to win. Too much pitching, not enough hitting.
by pineapplepete on Sep 20, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
never seem to win?
they won 95 games in 2009. they have had ONE poor season since the pirates last had a winning season… see the link below
by white angus on Sep 20, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
the dodgers were also 3 games from going to the world series in 2008 and 2009.
never seem to win???
by white angus on Sep 20, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought we were talking
about Rings. Yes of course they compete.
by pineapplepete on Sep 20, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
thats beside the point
Kershaw: drafted
BIllingsley: drafted
both of these pitchers would be aces on our staff, and many of the others clubs as well.
you could spend all the money you wanted on the payroll, like the Cubs, and it doesnt mean you even get a sniff of the world series.
by white angus on Sep 20, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
How about the Red Sox
Assuming they don’t manage to blow it, they’re ranked 21st in the league in ERA. They’ve got two good starters and three awful ones including a guy who is apparently the worst starter in franchise history. Detroit is also behind the Pirates in terms of pitching right now. Of course, what those teams have that the Pirates don’t is a really dominant ace.
I don’t think the 2006 Cardinals were that great other than Carpenter.
including a guy who is apparently the worst starter in franchise history
Lackey, I presume? Best (er, worst) alternative I can find is 1927 Del Lundgren.
Yup. Can’t claim to have done any sort of deep analysis myself beyond seeing him referred to that way in quite a few stories and the obvious fact that his numbers are atrocious.
Rendon is injured
He fell to 6th because teams are really, really concerned about his shoulder. Can you really fault them for passing on him?
"WHITESNAKE! DOKKEN! NIGHT RANGER!" -- Ronny Cedeño
by Superstar25 on Sep 20, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
plus his stats may have been inflated by metal bats in his past
by white angus on Sep 20, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
of course not
All I’m saying is I wish we took an everyday player instead of a pitcher. It’s just how I feel, certainly doesn’t make it right. We have alot of young arms but we have very few good young position players in the minors. I loved the Taillion pick.
by pineapplepete on Sep 20, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
we bought Tabata too.
we also bought Bay, and Nady… Bautista we bought back… we bought Jack Wilson. We bought Freddy Sanchez…
by white angus on Sep 20, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't we get all those guys in trades?
by pineapplepete on Sep 20, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
no trading is trading
signing a free agent is a whole other thing
by pineapplepete on Sep 20, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you said grow the arms buy the bats
then you might have said grow the arms trade for bats
by pineapplepete on Sep 20, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, ive said that repeatedly in the past
arms are always in need. and the pirates really need to look into dealing some of the excess for their needs.
by white angus on Sep 20, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
not true
you are taking on money from a different source. just because you are giving up an asset doesnt mean it cancels out the aquisition
by white angus on Sep 20, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i have read many of your comments
you like to argue. By saying “buy the bats” it gives me the impression you are talking free agency. Well I’m having none of it sir, you are right, end of conversation.
by pineapplepete on Sep 20, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I know that starting pitching is the most valuable commodity.
I know that good pitching beats good hitting.
I know that you can always trade pitching for bats later.
And the baseball purist in me prefers to see a 1-0 game rather than some 15-10 slugfest.
But good grief, total lack of offense is hard to watch. At this point I’d really rather see us lose every game 10-5, so long as we were able to score somehow.
Clint Hurdle is working on a new book, soon to be a major motion picture: Gandhiball. In this new style of baseball, the batter works to exhaust the pitchers through passive resistance and striking out as many times as humanly possible. You don’t win any ball games, but you do attain total consciousness on your deathbed. So, you’ve got that going for you.
by Aphthakid on Sep 20, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
what's up with McCutchen?
He’s turned in to a K machine.
I couldn’t tell from the replay, but it looked like a fan hauled in the homer. I think Presley had a chance to knock it over the wall himself to make the catch if the fan hadn’t pulled it over the wall.
by ImmaculatePerception on Sep 20, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He’s nearly at 30% for the month of September. Just looking at his season as a hole he’s a very different offensive player from the previous 2 years. Not really better, not really worse, just different. It’s kind of strange.
no one is going to agree with me, but hes padding his power numbers
he’s swinging for the fences on nearly every pitch, including 2 strike counts.
either that or he figures hes the only one on the team that can drive in runs
by white angus on Sep 20, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see why he'd "pad his numbers."
Curious.. are you suggesting for contract purposes?
Curious.. are you suggesting for contract purposes?If so, that .260 batting average isn’t going to look too impressive at arbitration.
maybe for future earnings, yes...
his approach at the plate has changed as the year has rolled along. anyone who says that im off on this one listens to the game on the radio.
by white angus on Sep 20, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't necessarily agree that he's doing it to pad his stats...
But yeah, anytime I watch Cutch play nowadays, he takes absolutely vicious cuts (and misses on many of them). It’s pretty frustrating, especially considering that he has the power to just flick the ball over the fence with a nice, contained swing, as we’ve seen in the past. The enormous, long swings just aren’t necessary.
Like ElDuce said, though, his approach this year really hasn’t made him any better or worse (check out his year-to-year wOBA for proof of that). But Cutch is 24 years old, and it would be nice if could continue to progress in his performance as a hitter, instead of just stagnating.
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Just looking at his season as a hole
Sounds like you are talking about Pedro’s season
by Wizard of Woz on Sep 20, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to say this
but the games are getting just un-watchable & some players supposed to shine, are regressing,
great news once again !
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Sep 20, 2011 6:45 PM EDT reply actions
"Good news, everyone!"
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by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
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