Pirates Vs. Diamondbacks, 20 September 2011
by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 20, 2011 9:00 PM EDT
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On This Date.......
in 1907, Nick Maddox no-hits Brooklyn, 2-1, the first in Pirate history.
in 1969, Bob Moose hurls a no-hitter at Shea Stadium, beating the Mets, 4-0.
in 2011, Charlie Morton no-hits Arizona, 3-0
I see what you did there...
I sure hope your “oracle powers” are working correctly and you haven’t read those mystic signs in reverse!
Pretty nice season from Morton
I feel like he made a lot of progress, and still has a lot he can improve on, especially since he relatively recently switched to his new motion.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Considering...
that Morton had a career 5.98 ERA going into the season…it would have been tough to not make progress and remain in the rotation.
On the radio here... and the feed was in a fritz... what'd he do?
by Chileburger on Sep 20, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Laid out to make a catch
that kept the ball from going into the RF corner. Very nice play.
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saw in on Gameday… beautiful… Hope they put up a video of Pedro’s stop, too.
by Chileburger on Sep 20, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like...
Charlie owes his outfield several beers already.
PEDRO!!!
He’s been walking more and striking out less over the past week. I like it.
That's true
Didn’t he walk three times on night?
by Chileburger on Sep 20, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Pedro hit a home run?
C’mon guys, how did we really score? Next thing you know, you’ll be saying you saw this guy…
What does that mean?!
Actually, it was Pedro CIRIACO, Trog...
You must have some wax in your ears!
:)
by Chileburger on Sep 20, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Was it one of those t-ball home runs
were you either bunt or softly hit groundball and the defense throws it around all over the place, because can Ciriaco hit it out of the infield?
by pittpanther on Sep 20, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate trying to watch the game
whilst also watching Sons of Anarchy
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
What's up all?
Been waiting a long time to see a Pedro bomb! How’s Chuck looking so far?
#AlltheBuntsAreBad
Just saw the Pedro HR...
What a sweet swing. What a beautiful swing. That’s what we signed him for, and it’s a far cry from those half-hearted whiffs in the dirt we saw before. And he’s taking walks now? Winter ball, who needs it?
I gotta feeling the “buzz” around the NL was to throw Pedro a first pitch fastball down the middle cause he won’t swing at it. Hopefully he keeps making ’em pay for a while.
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 20, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
And that's what it was...
“room service” fastball.
You're missing quite a show so far here, Mr. E.
Great game for the good guys to this point.
No jinx no jinx
by Chileburger on Sep 20, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Pedro Homers... Bucs Pitching getting hits...
All we need is a win tonight and you can be sure these aren’t the same old pirates!
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 20, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice hustle, Charlie
Could have had the bases loaded for NFW.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
I'm on the radio feed myself
But Jones had a spectacular diving catch to end the 1st, otherwise the Dbacks had some runs. Pedro had a great defensive play, too, though I think no one was on at the time.
by Chileburger on Sep 20, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh-oh... IBB for the pitcher
That strategy seems to have backfired a few times on us this year if I remember correctly…
Hope it works here!
I guess they respect his power
Didn’t want to give him a good pitch to hit with a 3-1 count
"WHITESNAKE! DOKKEN! NIGHT RANGER!" -- Ronny Cedeño
by Superstar25 on Sep 20, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Pedro draws a walk
A walk, a HR, and a K today! I’ll take it
"WHITESNAKE! DOKKEN! NIGHT RANGER!" -- Ronny Cedeño
Nah
He should have driven it over the wall for a grand slam!
"WHITESNAKE! DOKKEN! NIGHT RANGER!" -- Ronny Cedeño
by Superstar25 on Sep 20, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Pedro giving us a dose of "what could be"
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
"Pedro putting on a clinic at third base tonight"
Geez… he should have refused to play winter ball a long time ago…
by Chileburger on Sep 20, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
well; if he plays this well in Arizona all the time, maybe he should re-think that
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 20, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, we've got to get him to refuse winter ball more often
Once a night sounds good
WOW!!!
Alvarez great defensive play – ranged far to his left, strong accurate throw (if a bit low)
What does that mean?!
Morton ?
what the hell is goin on ?! did the Bucs have a “players only meeting” today or somthin ?
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
Holy... guacamole... Batman...
What’s up with the team tonight? Man, sure hope that the trainers figure out what was put in their cornflakes today… Keep it up, boys, keep it up…
OK
Besides being under 100 comments, we now know we need to take AFL hitting stats w/a grain of salt – Charlie nearly hit one out to a deep part of the park.
What does that mean?!
Charlie!
Who are these bizarro Pirates that get hits??
yea, but clearly safe
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 20, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I thought so...
but angle didn’t show Charlie’s hands very clearly – tag might have got in there.
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
he was so slow on the break back to the base that the ump was gonna call it out unless they completely botch it
slow and
he acted surprised when the ball was thrown – “WHAT?! They can pick me off????”
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else hate these all-cutter pitchers?
I mean the cutter’s a great pitch, but sometimes it seems one-dimensional
Not often a player gets 2 doubles in one at bat
I thought the “foul” ball down the 1st base line was fair.
What does that mean?!
no jinx, no jinx, no jinx
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Gracias, amigo.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 20, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You're missed several defensive gems by Pedro (Alvarez)
And he homered. And he walked. And he was INTENTIONALLY walked.
I’ve got two possible theories about this. Once has to do with him rejecting winter ball and the beneficial effects of this decision.
The other one involves space aliens, but, shush! Keep it between you, me and everyone else on the thread…
by Chileburger on Sep 20, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s see if we can somehow hit another double and still not score.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
The answer would be yes...
Unless you meant get the double this inning.
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
lots of RLISPys
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
2-fer-11
with RISP, but hey, RBI’s don’t matter.
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, while yunz have been enjoying the events in AZ,
Smitty, Adam and I have been working ever so hard on the next Rumbunter Podcast™, and I can tell you – on good authority – that’s it ain’t carved in stone that Pedro is not playing any winter ball.
That’s all I can say at this point.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
Perhaps not, but remember
under the CBA, management can ask, but not mandate, that a player play in Winter Ball
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It;s not mandated,
but it is not yet ruled out, either.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 20, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
if he sucks for the last few games; I'd rather he take some time off
But if he starts rakin, Winter ball would probably be a good thing
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 20, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
they say if you have around people speaking a foreign language long enough, you start to pick it up
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 20, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry; meant: "hang around"
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 20, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I can almost understand
New Yorkers now
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorta' surprised that the
D’backs allow ads for gay dating services (nttawwt) at the ball park.
Anyone else see the “Lone Butts” ad along the padding on the Dbacks dugout?
What does that mean?!
Oh, wait....
I guess it was Buttes
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pedro is trying to even it up
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
So what's the verdict?
Do we let Charlie pitch the seventh against 8-9-1 or get all pitch-countery and pull him?
I predict they pull him
Don’t let the positive outing become a negative one, keep innings down, etc.
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He's rollin now.. keep him in
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 20, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d bring him back and hope he can keep it together for the first half of the season and then deal him.
They unfortunate part is
they have to sign him for 2 years to do that, or cut him and watch him walk
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly I think the pirates will offer arb. If he rejects it and we get comp, at worse he accepts it and you are gonna have a pretty reasonable salary thanks to his injury history.
Can we do that?
The Pirates have already determined what they’ll pay him for the next two years by having the options on his contract. So they have to exercise those options or cut him loose. I’m not sure they can then offer him arbitration.
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/which-free-agents-could-get-draft-compensation.html
P2 says we can do that
Yeah, I'm coming to that point as well
According to the Collective Bargaining Agreement, Article IV(F)(1), teams may always ask for arbitration, although the players don’t have to agree (if they have enough service time).
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Sep 20, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
[spittake]
Nicely, Brakes.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
When he's healthy, there really aren't a lot of better options available out there
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
Yeah but with sanchez struggling, you are gonna have a black hole at catcher if Doumit leaves. Who was that no name catcher we got off waivers to look at, you don’t do that unless you have no good options in AAA
A comeback year for sanchez would do so much for the franchise
I went from anti-Doumit a few weeks ago to very pro-Doumit. Sure his health is risk, but locking down the number 2 position and adding a big bat to the lineup is so much for the team next year
and his injury this season was not the "injury prone" kind
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 21, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
talk about changin the subject :)
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 20, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Alas, my friend, the occasion hasn't presented itself
But don’t worry, I will indeed make it!
by Chileburger on Sep 20, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I'm not worried...
just curious.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd have preferred to let Charlie go at least one more.....
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
lookin at the DBacks, really can't figure why they have Parra bat 8th
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
Blomquist and Hill tonight leading off just boggles the mind how they can have the record they have. Juston Upton i guess is good enough to hit 3 run solo shots.
Bloomquist is hitting .264…which puts him ahead of all but Presley, Walker and Doumit in our lineup.
Come on, you know better than that!
He has an OBP of .321 and has never had an OPS of .680 or above except for his rookie season which is a 33 AB sample size. His career WAR is 1.2 after 10 SEASONS and he is leading off for a playoff team. That’s mind boggling.
"WHITESNAKE! DOKKEN! NIGHT RANGER!" -- Ronny Cedeño
by Superstar25 on Sep 21, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
That would require us to have a lead first...
and we haven’t had a lot of leads the last few weeks.
Oh, God, PLEASE let Grilled Cheese strike out the side
There have been too many positives in this game for it to slip away from us!!
damn; if Elvis catches that it's likely a DP
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
caught a break on that call
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
Waitaminnit -
Sean Burroughs?
Someone’s paying him to play baseball?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
& playin for a contenda
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 21, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
even more so.
eep!
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
and Overbay too ! go figure
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 21, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, yeah...
and ZD and X Man.
But Burroughs?
Criminy.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
DBacks TV guys think Cutch has a good arm
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
These are not the Pirates you're looking for...
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Please use those mind tricks on the Dbacks now...
PLEASE let us get out of this inning
by Chileburger on Sep 21, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I gotta say..
not to disrespect what the DBacks have accomplished this year; but if you go 1 to 25 and match line ups between the two teams, I don’t see them being much better than the Bucs; definitely not 21 games in the standings better !
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
And they play
in the same division as the Doyers…
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
yea; he's got such a quick & simple swing
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
D-Lee-ghtful !
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
some catchers are pretty good at that and disguise it well; like McKenry
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 21, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
And with that HR, my work is done
1.39 a.m. down here, fellows, and it’s time for me to sign off.
It’s up to you now…
Nobody likes
a quitter.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I told it to THIS guy,
.
…but he didn’t believe me.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cocktails; what'd ya do with Good Veras ?
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
Ha!
Srsly – I don’t have a dog…
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I know
jus messin’ wit ya. Need somethin to do instead of watchin the D’Backs score runs
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 21, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I know.
givin’ as good as I get….
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
...and cut down on PB
…maybe.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
It was SOOOO much better
when Hanrahan was still in WAS, and we could use this pic:
.
.
“Hey, Hanrahan – your wife’s a dyke!
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Just think
A full year of Presley
A healthy Tabata
Cutch
D.Lee a big 1 year deal
Alvarez even at say .255 and 25 HR
Doumit healthy and playing 4 days a week
Walker
And a SS that can produce more than Ronny C and Jack Flash have.
Not bad at all…..
yea; throw Jose Reyes in there and we might have somethin
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 21, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I am SO hesitant
to give DLee $8MM to play 90 games.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
It's like...
we didn’t learn from LaRoche the elder, or Lyle Overpaid.
If we have a right handed bat...
to play at 1B vs LHP…I could live with Jones at 1B vs RHP.
Why do you say 90?
He will have 110+ this year and in the past four years has 148, 141, 155 and 150.
I'm guessing...
because 90 games gets him real close to the trade deadline.
I'm just worried,
that’s all.
He’s getting older, and more injury-prone.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
This, mostly.
IMO (and I mentioned this on the last podcast) – he’ll want to finish his career
[a] Somewhere warm,
[b] somewhere where there’s no state income tax (FLA, TEX).
3 somewhere he can win.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
yea; if they can get him on the cheap; go for it
I don’t see that many teams looking for older 1Bs next year, so the Bucs might have a shot. That’s assuming Lee wants to play next year.
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
by michaelbro8 on Sep 21, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Ciriaco with the power stroke
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
they don't stay in sight for long
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
Why can't
95% of hitters lay off the high cheese at their eyes?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
at "eye level..."
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
98 & Upton way late
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
2...
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
this guy aint gonna swing
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
ok, maybe once
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
Derek Lee was safe !!
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 21, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Raise It !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
and just to finish the season on a good note
"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente
Well, my prediction of a 3-0 win
and the Morton no-hitter before the game was completely wrong, but a win is a win. 7-12 in September, with seven more games to go. Tomorrow’s tilt is in the afternoon, I believe.
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