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Pirates Acquire Eliecer Cardenas In Matt Diaz Trade, Get Something For Nothing

The Pirates have acquired Class A+ reliever Eliecer Cardenas from the Atlanta Braves as the player to be named in return for Matt Diaz. That's pretty nifty, given that Diaz was worthless and that Cardenas has struck out 75 batters in 56.2 innings at Lynchburg this year. He also walked 29, which is too many, and he allows a bunch of fly balls, but still, he has been almost unhittable, with just 31 hits. 

The Braves got him in the Class AAA portion of the Rule 5 draft last year, from the Twins. He immediately took a big leap forward in the Braves system, and he's still only 23, so it's a little surprising they would give him up for so little. I can't find many reliable reports on his stuff, but the reports I have been able to dig up suggest he's a hard thrower, which makes sense, given his strikeout and walk totals. He sounds like he could be a legitimate prospect if his control improves a little bit.

UPDATE: The more I look around on Cardenas, the more it appears that he's racking up all those strikeouts with good breaking stuff, rather than with his fastball. That might not work quite as well at the higher levels. I'd still much rather have him than Diaz, obviously.

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He trades a major leaguer for a reliever with an uncertain future.

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by steve_z on Sep 20, 2011 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Give the man a fair amount of time.

A minor league lotto ticket is a better option than Diaz.

Too bad there hasn't always been a DH...then we never would have to hear about this Ruth guy...

by Brad Spontak on Sep 21, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Think David Robertson of the Yankees.

by Brakeman8 on Sep 20, 2011 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Have you seen him? I can’t even find any video of this guy.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 20, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was it a player to be named later?

Or a pity player to be named later? Because I don’t understand how they could give up this guy for Diaz and pay his salary next year to boot.

by pineapplepete on Sep 21, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

They must like Diaz more than you do, I guess.

by Vlad on Sep 21, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s a report by a commenter at Talking Chop. Can’t vouch for it, obviously. It says he throws 93-94 but throws a ton of curves, which is a little strange at that level.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 20, 2011 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, everything I can find (none of it authoritative-looking) says he throws hard, with a slider.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Sep 21, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m seeing that too. Sounds like he has a good breaking pitch that he has trouble controlling, which probably accounts for the strikeout and walk totals. His fastball must be at least decent, or else I would think batters would make more consistent contact against him.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 21, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I must have been living under a rock

but when did this happen? I’m not seeing any posts about them DFA’ing Diaz. Must have happened while I was in Vegas. Someone clue me in here. I’m guessing we are going to eat his contract next year as part of the deal.

by pskell02 on Sep 21, 2011 12:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Waiver Deadline...

Buccos sent Diaz back to Atlanta for a PTBNL or cash. This is that PTBNL. Atlanta was willing to take on Diaz’s contract for next year (God knows why). Here’s Captain Charlie’s writeup of it:

http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/pittsburgh-pirates/2011/8/31/2395984/matt-diaz-trade-pirates-braves

by SuperBaes on Sep 21, 2011 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wanted

to let you all know that I hate college football right now. It’s stupid. The Pirates better win a World Series in the next 5 years or I’m quitting all sports.

Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Sep 21, 2011 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

What?

You a WVU fan or something? I heard they are getting left out in the cold.

by rydog2469 on Sep 21, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya

this stuff is stupid. More annoying than being a small-market baseball team.

Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Sep 21, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely agree with that

NCAA football is such a joke! Just a free developmental league for the NFL. At least MLB is screwing professional sports teams and not amateurs.

by rydog2469 on Sep 21, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I should clarify that NCAA football these days is a joke

I’m a PSU fan. So i will always love the glory days when Joe was actually age appropriate! lol

by rydog2469 on Sep 21, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know,

for a fan base that has gotten used to going to a bowl every year (albeit crappy ones), WVU fans seem mighty eager to join a league where they’ll go 5-7, 4-8 a lot and get creamed by the likes of Florida and Alabama. And for all the bullshit I have to listen to about great fans and a great atmosphere, I’ve noticed WVU fans only fill their stadium and arena for the biggest big games. Tennessee (for one) would have 100,000 in the seats if the Vols played Gallaudet. If WVU ends up in the SEC, it’ll be because there was no one else any good worth picking off. My money’s on some weird Big 12/Big East hybrid.

by bucdaddy on Sep 21, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's break this down
You know, for a fan base that has gotten used to going to a bowl every year (albeit crappy ones)

WVU has went to 2 BCS bowl games in the last decade and has won both of them. Going to two BCS games in the last ten years puts them in fairly elite company. There are 22 teams that have done that in the past decade. That includes 5 SEC teams, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, and Florida. Auburn and WVU are tied. That’s not even half of the current SEC that’s done better than WVU. Tennessee is not on that list, neither is Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Arkansas, etc.

As far as teams that have won 2 BCS games in the past decade, the list gets much shorter. That list, including the Mountaineers, is only 12 teams long. Four of those teams are in the SEC, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, and Florida. Not on that list is Alabama, or not in the SEC, Oregon or Michigan.

WVU fans seem mighty eager to join a league where they’ll go 5-7, 4-8 a lot and get creamed by the likes of Florida and Alabama.

In the past decade we’ve played 4 SEC teams, a fairly small sample size, but we’ve held our own, going 2-2. That includes wins over SEC champion Georgia in the Sugar Bowl and a win over Auburn. We’ve also lost to Auburn and LSU, with the biggest margin of defeat being 11 to Auburn. Notice we haven’t played any of the cellar dwellers, such as Vandy or UK.

And for all the bullshit I have to listen to about great fans and a great atmosphere, I’ve noticed WVU fans only fill their stadium and arena for the biggest big games.

Not true. WVU sold out against Marshall, an in-state “rival” we’ve never lost to and don’t care about, because they are in C-USA. They also sold 51,911 tickets for Norfolk State, over 80% capacity. Contrast that with Tennessee who hasn’t sold out either of their home games yet. Montana State I understand, but a passionate fanbase couldn’t even sell out a game against another BCS school, and a decent one, Cincinnati? How shameful. Plus, without any expansions, WVU could still maintain attendance figures near or better than Miss St., Vandy, and UK, for example.

If WVU ends up in the SEC, it’ll be because there was no one else any good worth picking off.

While that’s technically probably true- I’d be the first to admit Florida State is more attractive than WVU to the SEC – the consensus across the blogosphere (so take that for what you will) is it’s either us or Mizzou for the 14th spot along with A&M. The edge goes to Mizzout, but it’s close, and now with the Big 12 allegedly staying together and the Pac 12 NOT taking Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas etc. it seems like WVU is in the drive’s seat.

Either way, we will have to wait and see. WVU certainly isn’t a powerhouse, but they have the tradition and commitment football to compete in the SEC. They will never become Bama or Florida, at least for 50 years, but they won’t go 5-7, 4-8 every year and be “creamed” by the big dogs in the SEC either.

Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Sep 21, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few comments

he’s still only 23

He will be 24 in January, is in his 6th year as a pro, and still hasn’t pitched above A+, except for 3 innings in AA (see below).

The Braves got him in the Class AAA portion of the Rule 5 draft last year

He should be eligible for the Major League part of the Rule 5 draft this year, but there’s basically 0 risk of losing him. Also, he may be a minor league FA because he’s pitched for 6 years in the minors. But if the Pirates got him in a trade, they probably like him enough to make sure they keep him next season.

He immediately took a big leap forward in the Braves system

He’s got good success against younger players with his breaking stuff, if I follow your report (and there’s no reason to think it’s wrong). A few knowledgeable guys here say the A+/AA jump is likely the most difficult as a pro, especially because hitters in AA can lay off breaking stuff in the dirt.
Cardenas got a short taste of AA this year, and that wasn’t good : 3 IP / 15 H / 9 ER / 6 BB / 1 K / 2 HR.

In the Pirates’ prospective, getting him for Diaz is better than nothing, and better than keeping Diaz. But I understand why the Braves made Cardenas available for as little as Matt Diaz.

by From France on Sep 21, 2011 5:09 AM EDT reply actions  

That is a scary line....

regardless of small sample size.


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by David Todd on Sep 21, 2011 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, he may be a minor league FA because he’s pitched for 6 years in the minors.

Not for another year.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Sep 21, 2011 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s called “six-year minor league free agency”, but guys aren’t actually able to leave until after their seventh season.

by Vlad on Sep 21, 2011 7:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"That's pretty nifty, given that Diaz was worthless"

the braves called; laughing, cat calls, flatulence sounds.

by white angus on Sep 21, 2011 8:14 AM EDT reply actions  

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Sep 21, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol... exactly

“see you in the playoffs, wankah… oh, wait a tick, no we wont… buggah off!!!”

by white angus on Sep 21, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually

they would pronounce the R between bugger and off – it would be more like “buggaroff”.

by BlindSquirrel on Sep 21, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think they move him in the Pirates Organization to have him
work on the Breaking Ball for Strikes? much like they do with Fastball Command and how they treated Taillon and Stetson?

Drop him to a lower level A and make him really work on controlling the breaking ball? or leave him where he is to get battered and WHIP’d?

by lfhlaw on Sep 21, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

By the by

Has Diaz done anything with the Braves since the trade? lol

by lfhlaw on Sep 21, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

for Diaz ?

I woulda settled for a stack of the old hard bubble gum that used to come with baseball cards


"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente

by michaelbro8 on Sep 21, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought the police force recycled all those. I believe that is how kevlar was invented.

by Mr. E on Sep 21, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

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