Olney: Asking prices for vet starters have dropped "significantly"
Specifically he says Oswalt's asking price is $8MM and Hiroki Kuroda has come down to $10-$11MM.
Oswalt at $8MM is reaching the point where it seems to me Huntington should start sniffing around.
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Depends I suppose
If he’s looking to rebuild value, a 1 year/$8MM deal with the Bucs could help him if he’s looking to get $10-$12MM next year. Plus, he could be signed with the understanding he’ll be flipped to a contender at the deadline if the Bucs are out of contention. But if they are in it…hey, bonus!
Of course if a team in a better position to contend comes calling, the Bucs are hosed. But I think at this point it’s worth NH’s while to at least pick up the phone.
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The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
I was actually just going to post this
because I saw it at MLBTR. At $8M, Oswalt seems to be a more Bedard-ian risk, especially on a one year deal. I wanted no part of him at $15M-$16M as he was originally asking IIRC, but this could be a good move. If the Bucs could pull that off and sign Soler, I think it would make it a much more impressive offseason.
Having said that, it does come with the obvious caveat that the Pirates might not be able to sign him for what other teams can sign him for.
Good article about the current state of the market
over at ESPN today.
I could feel his muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm. ~~ Mike Tyson
If this keeps up, in a few years some guys may have to settle for internal value money.
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by WTM on Jan 13, 2012 2:12 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Time to make a splash...
I think it’s time for the Pirates to make a splash and sign E. Jackson. For years, I have said that the Pirates should avoid the free agent market and invest in L-T contract for players they control, but given Jackson’s reduction in cost, the Pirates low payroll, and the fact that the fans actually came out last year and lined the pockets the of Nutting (not to mention the fact that they can’t invest as much in the draft anymore) I think now is the time. Jackson is relatively young and could still be part of the rotation when Cole/Taillon are ready. Jackson is the type of pitcher NH likes. I’ve agreed with the reasons the Pirates haven’t made a splash in FA in the past, but times have changed. Now is the time.
by DejanMustard on Jan 13, 2012 3:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Depends on the cost
While I agree that Jackson is a pitcher the Pirates can use, I wouldn’t break the bank for an average pitcher. Jackson may take $8 million to play in NY or Boston but the Pirates might have to spit up $13-15 million to convince him to don the black and gold. Seems that most people easily forget that for “prime” free agents to come to Pittsburgh, it’s probably going to take a ~%50 markup from a championship caliber team. No one wants to play for a loser and most of these guys were only 6, 7, 8 years old the last time the Pirates had a winning season. It’s a Catch-22 and a downward spiral but it’s likely the truth.
Quote from the linked ESPN article below
“Clubs that have checked in say the Astros are willing to pay half of Lee’s $18.5 million and “at least” $7 million of the $11 million Myers will earn this year."
Brett Myers for $4 million? What would it take prospect wise? If he’s healthy, as he’s been recently, he’s at least as good as Maholm, with more strikeouts. Maybe worth a phone call seeing as which Houston is moving to the AL…
I wouldn't mind Brett Myers
if it rids us of Kevin Correia.
Marte?
As in Starling? It might take an autographed photo of him to get Myers. His FB is down to 88 now. I’m not sure I’d take him over Correia.
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That’s more than I’d give for him.
I could be wrong, but I think all they’re going to get for Myers is some salary relief.
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Per that report, they'd still be eating ~$7M of his salary
They’d really offer to eat that much if they just wanted salary relief?
Myers has been pretty crappy two of the last three years. I doubt a team would want to pay more than $2-3M for him, so he’d still cost more than he’s worth at $4M. I guess the Astros would probably get something for him, but certainly not a top prospect. More like a couple middling relief prospects.
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"Myers has been pretty crappy two of the last three years. I doubt a team would want to pay more than $2-3M for him"
Damn, I never shoulda taken that left toin at Albukoikee.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jan 15, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
If we nudge the Astros a little higher...
maybe Carlos Lee is the Pirates 1B next season? If we could get it down to where we are only paying say $7-8M, he’d still be better at 1B than what we are looking at. You run into the same issues you would with Derrek Lee with respect to aging, but outside of the lousy 2010 season, his numbers are still pretty decent.
I’d rather have him than Myers. PNC could be death valley for him, though.
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I don't know...
Some of those moon shots Lee hits onto the train tracks above the Crawford Boxes look like they’d fly out of any stadium. He’ll be 36 in June, but he’s still walking, and he’s still not striking out. So, it looks like he’s still got something left.in the tank.
If he’s obtainable for half his $18.5M salary, plus a couple of less-tha-top-10 prospects, I can sure think of worse 1B options for the 2012 Pirates.
by Midnight Moose on Jan 13, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
spill the beans moose.
have you been having chicken and waffles with barry at gladys knights? an if so whats the status?
by karreemofwheat on Jan 13, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Let me tell you a story...
In September of 1991, a hunk of concrete fell off the Olympic Stadium roof, in Montreal. As a result, a 3-game set with between the Pirates and Expos was suddenly shifted from Olympic Stadium, to TRS.
Upon hearing that news, I called, and got 3 tickets to game 3 of that series, on a Sunday, front row, right beside the Pirates on-deck circle.
So, my wife (at the time), my son, who was 5, and myself were sitting there, watching the game. Van Slyke was batting. Bonds was in the on-deck circle. Van Slyke was having a particularly long AB, and during the process of it, Bonds was sort of kneeling on-deck, and started scanning the crowd.
Bond saw my son sitting there in front of him, staring at him. Bonds smiled at my son, and gave him a wink.
Van Slyke grounded out. Bonds strode to the plate – and jacked one into the RF seats.
After circling the bases, Bonds made a point to kind of detour back towards the on-deck circle, on his way to the dugout, just to spot my son among the cheering crowd, and give him another wink.
Bonds hit 762 HRs in his career. But my son always thought of that particular HR as his own. He was always a Bonds fan after that, even after HGH blew Bonds up into the big-headed monster he eventually became.
I’ve heard stories of Bonds being a contentious prick, and a tough autograph to get, at times. But that day, with a smile and a couple winks, Bonds made a memory of a lifetime, for my son. And helped me turn my son into a Pirates fan.
by Midnight Moose on Jan 14, 2012 5:21 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Lee really isnt a HR hitter any longer
its really odd. he has wonderful contact rates for a guy who looks bad just walking up to the plate.
by white angus on Jan 13, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
oh i agree
im the first one to say this team doesnt need a HR hitter. this team needs a GOOD HITTER. which Lee can be. just not at his current cost.
How fat would Carlos Lee get playing for a doormat team like the Pirates in a city where he could become beloved by being seen out at restaurants dining with fans? I say he hits the 6-sammiches-a-week diet.
Primanti's is one of the few incentives we can offer!
We’d never sign anybody without those sammiches.
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