Community Prospect #20
by epoc on Jan 16, 2012 12:00 PM EST
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With 25% of the vote, Clay Holmes is elected our #19 prospect. Bryan Morris was the runner-up with 20%. The list:
1. Gerrit Cole
2. Jameson Taillon
3. Starling Marte
4. Josh Bell
5. Luis Heredia
6. Robbie Grossman
7. Tony Sanchez
8. Kyle McPherson
9. Stetson Allie
10. Nick Kingham
11. Rudy Owens
12. Jeff Locke
13. Jarek Cunningham
14. Alex Dickerson
15. Zack Von Rosenberg
16. Colton Cain
17. Jordy Mercer
18. Zack Dodson
19. Clayton Holmes
I'm adding Yamaico Navarro to the poll, since he got some write-in love last time. If you want to vote for someone who's not listed, add his name under "others" and then reply with a +1 (please remember to add the +1 so I know that it's an official vote). This poll will run for 24 hours.
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Guess its time to board this train…
by Wizard of Woz on Jan 16, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
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It’d be either Hanson or Morris for me and since only Hanson has a reasonable shot that’s where my vote is going.
by rj.reynolds on Jan 16, 2012 6:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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Not actually affiliated with whygavs.
by WHYG Zane Smith on Jan 16, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
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If I would have know he was eligible, I would have voted for him many spots ago.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
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I could feel his muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm. ~~ Mike Tyson
Okay you convinced me
I will vote for Navarro. I’ll come back to Holt soon enough.
by SojourningPirate on Jan 16, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
You guys flip flop too much
last year everyone was saying Morris was the best of the A-4 and I was the hater. Now he can’t even crack the top 20. He always had the bullpen in his possibilities but he’s still got a 1st round arm.
I sure hope
the Pirates reconsider him starting at Indy but with the logjam of Owens, Locke, Wilson, and maybe Lincoln (he’s on his last option) it’s highly doubtful.
Like Wilson, Morris lacks the changeup necessary to be a starter. He also has inconsistent mechanics and an injury history. His future is in the ’pen. I think the Pirates should just forget about him as a starter and focus on getting him to Pittsburgh as a reliever so he can take over when Hanrahan gets traded.
Not trying to beat this to death
and judging by the love you’ve gotten for Hanson, maybe I should take some marketing lessons from you Epoc, but I’m sick of voting for Wilson, so I’m going to repeat my argument from the last round.
While I think Wilson has the stamina to start, I don’t think he will start. I’ve been trying to get him in for the past few spots because I’m hoping that he can use that FB that tops out at 99 to be a good LOOGY for the Bucs. Some might think it’s depressing to have a LOOGY in the team’s top 20 but anybody who watched Rzepczynski pitch for the Cards last fall should know that a good LOOGY is quite valuable.
Ultimately, I’m trying (and so far failing) to get Wilson in because while his value as a LOOGY is probably much lower than anybody who winds up as a good #3-4 starter or a solid 1B or cOF, I think his proximity to the majors and unteachable velocity makes him more likely to reach this goal than the other guys on the list to live up to their admittedly higher ceilings. Wilson’s MiLB K numbers have been OK but not great (7.6 K/9) but that’s with him throwing a FB 5-7 MPH slower than he does as a reliever. His control, while not elite, is certainly not crippling either for a reliever (4.5 BB/9). He is definitely not a finished product, but I think he is capable of being a valuable player for the Bucs at the ML level.
by KentuckyPirate on Jan 16, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much my reasoning.
Unfortunately, I feel bad not voting for Hanson, Osuna and Navarro, because I think they are top 20 prospects and ahead of Holmes, Mercer and Dodson.
Everything that guy just said is bullshit . . .thank you
Aight
Curry needs some love. Ya he struggled at AA, but he wasn’t terrible and he absolutely crushed at Low-A ball. I love Hanson to death, but he played at the GCL last year. You’d have to think Hanson has a substantially higher ceiling than Curry to rate him ahead of Curry at this point. At least that’s my opinion.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jan 17, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
He's my next vote
as soon as I get rid of Wilson
by KentuckyPirate on Jan 17, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
Hanson has a bigger upside
than Curry. IMHO it’s only a matter of time before Dickerson (barring any back flare-ups) outpaces Curry and thus Curry becomes trade bait to someone.
I don’t see how it’s even debatable that Hanson has a higher ceiling than Curry. Curry was a sixteenth-round pick even as a college senior, he has no athleticism, speed, or defensive value. He has some power and a solid approach, but at the same time his swing is long and slow. He doesn’t project to be any better than a second-division firstbaseman at the very best.
His case is mostly that he “absolutely crushed Low-A ball,” as you say, but he did so for under 200 PA as a 22 year old (just shy of 23) after four years of college (two in a major program). If he’d done it at AA that would be something, but in the SAL I don’t think we should put too much weight on it.
Hanson
has plenty of athleticism, but he’s a small dude which will limit his potential with the bat (most likely, there are always exceptions), especially in the power category. It’s not enough to balance out and even up with Curry’s ceiling, but it is something.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jan 17, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
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