Replacing your 2011 Pirates, bWAR style.
I wasn't too sure if this has been done yet this offseason but I figured it will be a nice compaitive to loook at. After the jump I'll compare the main players that were with the 2011 Pirates to their replacements in 2012. I plan on leaving out the bullpen as so many players were in an out, up and down from AAA that its tough to gauge exactly what the bullpen will be like for the entire season.
Position: Catcher (2011 bWAR)
Starters Lost: Doumit (1.2)
Snyder (0.8)
Likely Replacements: Barajas (1.4)
McKenry (-0.1)
+/- WAR = -0.7
Interesting to note that Barajs played in 98 games last year, McKenry 58. They could see something similar like this type of duty in 2012, so there 2011 bWAR does not need adjusted.
Position: Firstbase
Starters Lost: Overbay (-0.7)
Lee (0.8)
Likely Replacements: Jones (1.1)
McGehee (-1.0)
+/- WAR = 0
It wouldn't be uncommon to see McGehee have a much better season than he did in 2011. Thats what the Pirates are hoping for at this point. Jones made 29 starts at 1B last season.
Position: ShortStop
Starters Lost: Cedeno (1.6)
Likely Replacements: Barmes (2.9)
+/- WAR = +1.3
Barmes power may be diminished at PNC, but his defense and good judgement in the field and on the basepaths will be less of a headache over Cedeno, although, what is better, less headache or better play all around. This is a position to keep our eyes on this season.
Position: Starting Pitcher
Starters Lost: Paul Maholm (2.6)
Likely Replacements: Erik Bedard (1.8)
+/- WAR = -0.8
For Bedard its always a question of health. He comes to the NL where he stands a better chance at putting up much improved numbers. When healthy is a front line starter, the problem is, he hasn't been healthy since his days in Balt. If he can stay on the field this year, I can see him having a 3-4 WAR season. Until then, we must wait and see.
Grand Total: A whopping -0.2 bWAR added to the roster.
Pretty lateral to say the least. Although, a strong chance for McGehee to bounce back and platoon with Jones for a nice addition at first. Bedard being healthy will go along way too. But these signings weren't meant to get us over the hill anyways. And I have no problem with that. These signings were made to fill the gaps in our roster for 2012. For this team to see improvement, the teams needs players such as Alvarez, McCutchen, Tabata, Walker, Presley to continue to grow.
Alvarez (-1.4) - With any luck and good fortune Pedro puts up a respectable 2 WAR this year. That is a 3.4 WAR turn around from last year. Instantly bumping this team up the ladder.
McCutchen (5.5) - A huge fall off after July. Again with any good progress, Cutch should be on the brink of stardom with a shot at a 6-7 WAR season. Again this would pay off huge for the Pirates, as it would be a 1.5 WAR increase.
Tabata (0.1) - Often out with nagging injuries, Tabat moves to RF, where his defense could potentially play better with less room to cover. His offesne dipped, but with some improvement and well played defense I can see Tabata at least reaching the 1.5-2 WAR plateau. A 1.9 WAR increase.
Walker (2.5) - I expect pretty much the same out of Walker this season. His defense was slightly better last year, but I can't see it improving much there. His bat was roughly what I expected from him. So 2- 2.5 WAR for NW again. A simple push or 0 WAR earned.
Presley (1.0) - In just 52 games he got to the 1 WAR mark. Maybe over the course of an entire season and a slight reality check Presley improves but not on his numbers, rather he is steady throughout the season, making him a 2 -2.5 WAR player. A 1.5 increase.
Grand Total: 8.3 WAR. This is where the 2012 Pirates will sink or swim. It is on there shoulders. I suppose I can look at pitching next time. But in my opinion, it is up to these players to turn the Pirates ship around.
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Those numbers tend to support...
…the claim that the FO is determined this team sinks or swims with the core (Cutch, Pedro, Tabata, Walker), is waiting for the significant additions to come from the farm (Sanchez, Cole, Taillon) and is content to tread water along the margins of the team while those players determine its current fate and future.
Not arguing for or against the merits of such a plan, but it IS what those numbers point to.
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
So this means if everything goes right
regarding the potential 8.3 WAR increase this turns into a 78 win team. I highly doubt we’ll get past 72 but I really REALLY wish the Pirates can acquire or sign just one more 3-4 WAR starter instead of having to rely on Lincoln or Correia or even Locke.
well if you want to simply look at it from a position player standpoint. Disregard the Maholm line and the -0.8 and we are up +0.6. Add that to the 8.3 figure I totaled and you have 8.9 or about 9 WAR better from our 8 every day starters. Added to our 72 wins, that puts us at 81 without looking at pitching.
Obviously not everything goes as planned of the course of the season and there is no gurantee that we get lucky enough to have Alvarez, Walker, Tabata and Presley to all be essentially “average” (as I guesstimate them around the 2 WAR mark) but with improved pitching, yes this team has an outside chance at being an 80+ win team. Its a lot closer than I had imagined, simply by giving the rundown on the position players
Thats what she said! - Michael Gary Scott
You and the author forgot Nate
He is replacing Paul and his -.1 WAR. Not to mention Diaz/Pearce and their combined -1.7 WAR and we’re now over .500 before pitching comes into play.
Derek Lee and Jeff Francis
Could provide a little more value over McGehee and Correia as well, bumping the WAR total up a bit more.
The biggest danger is the chance that Karstens, Morton, MacDonald, and co. put up worse numbers.
The play on the field will determine the statistics
and the Pirates final 2012 record, not the other way around. Also the differences between 2011 and 2012 for the Cards, Brewers, Reds, Cubs and Astros will be a factor. Personally, I’m hopeful, even optimistic, as I am every year at this time.
Lino Donoso
Since I prefer Fangraphs WAR I went ahead and substituted in those numbers for your calculations. As you can see overall it didn't really change anything!
Starters Lost: Doumit (1.8)
Snyder (0.7)
Likely Replacements: Barajas (1.3)
McKenry (0.1)
+/- WAR = -1.1
Starters Lost: Overbay (-0.8)
Lee (0.9)
Likely Replacements: Jones (0.9)
McGehee (0.3)
+/- WAR = +1.1
Starters Lost: Cedeno (1.4)
Likely Replacements: Barmes (3.1)
+/- WAR = +1.7
Starters Lost: Paul Maholm (2.1)
Likely Replacements: Erik Bedard (2.4)
+/- WAR = +0.3
Grand Total: +2 fWAR
Alvarez (-0.8) Projected 2 WAR = 2.8 increase
McCutchen (5.7) Projected 7 WAR = 1.3 increase
Tabata (1.0) Projected 2 WAR = 1 WAR increase
Walker (3.0) 0 WAR increase
Presley (1.2) Projected 2.5 WAR = 1.3 WAR increase
Grand Total: 6.4 fWAR increase
Altogether: 8.4 fWAR increase
still nice to see that have those 5 “core” players, 4 of which can be pretty much average with Cutch doing his thing and see us improve that much. I think that point is being missed around here a lot. Its about them and we go as far as they can take us, pitching aside that is.
Thats what she said! - Michael Gary Scott
I did projected WAR for the projected roster. . .
and I come up with this being a 74-75 win team.
Everything that guy just said is bullshit . . .thank you
To play the Vlad role
These projections look at everything coming up roses, or at least nothing coming up skunk cabbage. I don’t think anything here is unrealistic, but where are 10 starts by Locke for -1.5 WAR, or Walker having a bad year (even if he doesn’t turn into a pumpkin, there’s no reason to expect 1 WAR/54 games, every 54 games, until he hits 32), or Barajas or Barmes aging really fast?
Point being that these should probably be characterized as 66% or 75% outcomes – not everything going right, but more things going right than wrong. That’s fine – and I’m pleased to see that +8 WAR doesn’t require a series of career years – but we shouldn’t fool ourselves. I’m sticking with 75-78 wins as a projection; I’ll pick a final number before Opening Day.

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