Prince Fielder Agrees To Terms With Tigers
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jan 24, 2012 4:20 PM EST
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PrintThe Tigers will sign Prince Fielder to a nine-year deal worth $214 million. It's a shame that no team in the NL Central ended up getting saddled with that contract, which is utterly insane for a player with "early decline" written all over him, but in the meantime, Fielder won't be able to torment the Pirates (against whom he has 27 career home runs, more than against any other team) quite so much.
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Because Nutting is cheap!!!!!1!!1one!!!
And stuff.
You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu
by IAPiratesFan on Jan 24, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Which contract do you think Boras had his client sign quicker: Fielder or Werth?
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 24, 2012 4:33 PM EST reply actions
Sets up an intriguing matchup
Prince vs Miguel Cabrera for first in line at the postgame buffet.
by maguro on Jan 24, 2012 4:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
"Lay off the sauce"
Will have double meaning in the Tigers locker room now.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
On the bright side....
We don’t have to watch him hit like half a dozen HRs against us this year.
You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu
we play detroit 6 games this year.
its still possible. karstans will plunk him, imo.
by karreemofwheat on Jan 24, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well Pittsburgh is playing Detroit TWICE this season
so there’s still a chance.
Still confused about the deal
why the crap would you pay 24 mill per for your DH!? Miggy cannot play 3rd base anymore. VMart will be back after this year. What will they do?
I brought this up when my buddy texted me about this
I have no idea. It doesn’t make sense to move a) your offensive force coming off an MVP-caliber season or b) your big money FA to a new, more difficult position. V-Mart’s 33 (with 850 games caught under his belt) and still has 2013 and 2014 on the hook for $25 million and Alex Avila made the all star team last year.
Complete guess: I’d say Fielder and Cabrera basically rotate 1B with Fielder getting a few more games (90 vs. 70; something like that). The other DH’s. V-Mart gets dealt to the M’s or some other lineup lacking some punch (maybe the A’s or O’s) in the offseason… and we have a 400 comment discussion on how great of a deal the A’s/M’s/O’s got.
Martinez is owed $13M for 2013 and $12M for 2014…so figure that into your assumptions as to whether he will be on the Pirates roster.
i know realistically it wont happen
but Martinez is the kind of hitter this team needs; a real “hitter”.
the M's won't work for V-Mart
They just got themselves a DH who owns a catcher’s mitt.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jan 24, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Thunder has it
Doumit wouldn’t be a problem anyway, because he’s on a 1-year contract, and also because no sane GM would pass up V-Mart just because they had Doumit on the roster.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Funny how this scenario keeps repeating itself. High-revenue contending team swoops in out of nowhere and signs premium FA, sometimes out from under the nose of a less successful team. Texeira, Lee, Pujols, Fielder, probably others I’m forgetting. The Nats got Werth by giving an elite contract to a non-elite player, but the elite players are going to sign with the elite teams. This is why it’s so tiresome to see the inevitable arguments about how the Pirates should sign guys like this. The Nats REALLY wanted Fielder, just like they really wanted Tex, and they have one of the richest owners in MLB (in fact, he may even be THE richest), yet they couldn’t get it done.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
by WTM on Jan 24, 2012 4:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
dammit
*somebody on the list (that I missed), Lerner is the richest
by KentuckyPirate on Jan 24, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
a few names after lerner, ron burkle.
please mr. nutting sale the team.
by karreemofwheat on Jan 24, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
John Perrotto tweeted this a while ago:
“#Pirates fans show up in droves and owner rewards them with Clint Barmes. That’s not how it’s supposed to work.”
“#Tigers fans show up in droves despite terrible economy and owner rewards them by signing a star. That’s how it’s supposed to work.”
You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu
by IAPiratesFan on Jan 24, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Someone needs to tell Perrotto
That Prince Fielder probably wouldn’t have signed in Pittsburgh if they offered him $300 million instead of $214m
No no no
He ATE a vegan.
________________________________
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jan 24, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Actually...
there was an interview in ESPN The Magazine a couple of months ago where Fielder was quoted that he was no longer a vegetarian, that it was too hard to adhere to during the season.
Doughnuts and beer and candy bars are vegetarian, right?
You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu
by IAPiratesFan on Jan 25, 2012 7:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They have vegetarian options. Vegan, maybe not, but vegetarian.
by thecheeseisblue on Jan 25, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
John Perrotto is a moron
According to Forbes’ report from last March, the Pirates had the third lowest total revenue in all of baseball at $160M. This figure includes all of the money the team got from MLB’s revenue sharing policy. The Tigers’ total revenue was 20% higher than the Pirates’. Not only that, Tigers owner Mike Ilitch is one of the richest owners in sports.
by KentuckyPirate on Jan 24, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Perrotto is NOT a moron
A shameless panderer to the “minions of Smizik” but not a moron. He is content to spin a narrative that he knows will appeal to a certain segment of the fan-base. He does this because he brings nothing to the table that will appeal to the more thoughtful and realistic segment of Pirate fans.
Basically he jockeying for the position of “Pittsburgh Sports Curmudgeon In Waiting”
Good luck beating Paul Zeise out for that one.
"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.
Was thinking
that Smiz was still THE Curmudgeon but you are right Zeise holds the position and Bob-o is now “Curmudegeon Emeritus”
"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.
Perrotto:
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Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jan 24, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Perrotto
If you’re reading this…….
FUCK OFF
by BadAndy on Jan 24, 2012 7:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How are we supposed to come with with over $20 million a year to sign him?
And if we did he still would want to come here, which he wouldn’t. God i’m really getting sick of these strawman agruments regarding the Pirates. There becoming real tiresome and pointless.
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by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 24, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
2011 Detroit Tigers attendance: 2.642M (6th in the AL)
2011 Pittsburgh Pirates attendance: 1.94M (15th in the NL)
And of course, the Pirates’ average ticket price in 2011 was $15.30, the lowest figure in MLB, while the Tigers’ average was considerably higher, so even that 700,000 fan difference significantly understates the revenue gap between the two franchises.
by Vlad on Jan 25, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But but but...
that doesn’t align with a viewpoint that gets pageviews!
I’m not sure the Nats wanted him that badly. They’ve got Morse/LaRoche and no DH. They also need money to extend Zimmerman and find a CF.
I wonder if they throw their money at Cespedes now.
Yeah, they did. Everybody in MLB thought they were the frontrunner from day one and Rizzo never denied it. People here (DC) really thought the Nats would get him.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
So, because fans thought they would get him and media thought they were the favorite, the FO wanted him really badly? All of the hype was based off every other team not wanting him, not the Nationals desire to get him. If they really wanted him they would have met his price a month ago and he’d be a Nat.
MLBTR has had numerous reports that the Nats were hot after Fielder.
It’s also had reports that Boras wasn’t naming a price. His tactic is always to try to create a bidding war. It’s not nearly as simple as you seem to think.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
scott swain tweeted multiple times it was a done deal
that fielder was on a plane to dc for his physical.
by karreemofwheat on Jan 25, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe it's true
Maybe the Nats couldn’t find a way to distract Fielder so that Hannibal could slip the knock out drops into his milk, no matter what kind of wacky antics Murdock perpetrated. Detroit, meanwhile, was a reasonably short van ride away.
by Aphthakid on Jan 25, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, it’s not if it shows at least that they were deep in discussions.
Your argument is basically, Any team that really wants to sign a guy will sign him, so if they don’t sign him that shows they didn’t really want to. And that’s nonsense.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
I never said they didn't want him to some degree
but they were never the favorite until the field got whittled down to basically Washington and ?? I guess Texas and apparently a mystery team. Miami, Chicago and Seattle were all ahead of Washington before they saw the asking price and moved on.
Just looking at the facts. 1) They have at least 2 capable 1B for 2012. 2) They have the money to sign Prince 3) They didn’t sign Prince
It’s way simpler than you seem to think.
I had no idea Lerner was that rich
At the same time owners aren’t usually willing to lose money on a continual basis (by losing money I mean having the franchise’s capital appreciation be less than a negative cash burn). Still, his wealth is extremely impressive.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
At the same time owners aren’t usually willing to lose money on a continual basis
True. I just brought it up because so many fans continue to believe, incorrectly, that if the Pirates had a wealthier owner they’d have a far higher payroll.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
Tell that to Smizik and Perrotto
But yeah I agree just because a really rich owner buys the team dosen’t mean that they’ll spend oodles of dollars because its out of the goodness of his heart. They’ll only spend within the market there in.
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Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
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by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 24, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
many fans continue to believe, incorrectly, that if the Pirates had a wealthier owner they’d have a far higher payroll
Spoken like a group of people who’ve never heard of Carl Pohlad.
I just woke up...
but I still LOL’d for real.
by tobynotjason on Jan 25, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Tigers’ answer to replacing Victor Martinez should come from within
What a terrible day to publish that article. Not that it’s misinformed or misguided… just unfortunate timing.
I've been reading that Miggy is going to play third
which i find impossible to believe. These reporters are asking him questions about it but maybe he’s f’n wasted or something
Prince Fielder
Is almost as rotund as John Perrotto
If Cabrera plays third base...
it’s going to be bunt city in the AL Central. Gardenhire will be in smallball heaven… and he’ll actually be doing the right thing on occasion.
We play the Tigers six times.
Clint’s salivating.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
The price of Little Caesar’s pizza is going to go up a ton to help Illitch pay Fielder.
No jinx no jinx no jinx.
well, didn't see this coming
I sincerely hope that Fielder is successful as a Tiger (except for the 6 games we play against the Tigers this year, of course), if only in the interest of Jim Leyland’s overall health
Michigan's "no smoking in public workplaces" law
has already taken a huge toll on Leyland’s health: those cigarettes were preserving him.
Just read that Peter Gammons was the one to tell Leyland about the Fielder signing (as he knew nothing about it).
Yikes. So much for keeping your manager in the loop.
Probably wanted to avoid
another episode of Jim sobbing uncontrollably.
I know. That was a cheapshot. I really like Leyland but the guy must have spigots behind his eyeballs.
"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.
Even in that picture
he still looks like he would be a good bet to go yard against the Bucs.
"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.
by Pagliaroni on Jan 24, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Milwaukee and St. Louis are definitely going to compete for the division. Each only lost one significant player, and Adam Wainwright will return to the Cardinals. I would guess that Cincinnati finishes second and possibly takes the wild card, but I think fans are greatly overestimating what this means for the division–especially for the Pirates.
Thats 2 losses for the brewers
If u count lloyd braun for 50 games
by tbote123 on Jan 24, 2012 6:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And Beltran. If he pulls a Berkman the Cards might win another title. Brewers probably losing their setup man too since they traded for Veras.
Honestly, I’d be more concerned about Berkman pulling another Berkman than I would Beltran doing so. Both are going to be on the wrong side of 35 for the most of next season, so it’s going to be difficult for them to repeat their ~5 WAR seasons again.
Also worth considering is that the Cards lost LaRussa. I know managers tend not to impact team performance, but I wouldn’t be surprised if his loss is felt to a small degree.
disagree about Pujols
he’s god enough to not only impact a game, but also affect how hitters around him are pitched to. With him gone I see a very average line-up. And I think Fielder had a lot to do with the macho-cockiness of the Brewers; with that gone, who knows ? It will be an interesting season.
" I think this is probably the best team ever assembled. They talk about the Vince Lombardi Era, but I think the Chuck Noll Era is even greater. " - Mel Blount
correction needed ?
I was going to correct “god” to “good”, but then realized the first applied better :)
" I think this is probably the best team ever assembled. They talk about the Vince Lombardi Era, but I think the Chuck Noll Era is even greater. " - Mel Blount
And I think Fielder had a lot to do with the macho-cockiness of the Brewers
That and T-Plush.
Ovechkin-Leich-Semin: The greatest line in hockey..............................Tee Hee
Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 24, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but he helped enhance the cockiness
Can’t deny that.
Ovechkin-Leich-Semin: The greatest line in hockey..............................Tee Hee
Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 24, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Why wouldn’t the Cards and Brewers have winning records?
by Adam Reynolds on Jan 24, 2012 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
IMO
the reds had the best overall team in the division last year and they finished third. Cards and Brewers lose best firstbaseman 1 and 1A. thats a lot of lost wins plus no Braun for 50, Brewers could have a big deficit to climb once those 50 are over. and the Cards? Berkamn and Beltran are old, on the verge of getting really old for baseball and Beltran has an extensive injury history. Just thinking that the Central could be the worst division in baseball next year.
i have no doubt that the NLC will be the worst division
that’s why i have hope that the Pirates will have a somewhat exciting year
Otherwise known as
realism-induced naseau.
"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.
optimist / pessimist
The difference between an optimist and a pessimist is that an optimist thinks this is the best possible world; a pessimist fears that is true.
" I think this is probably the best team ever assembled. They talk about the Vince Lombardi Era, but I think the Chuck Noll Era is even greater. " - Mel Blount
Sooo do the pirates still have a team?
Theyve beeen very quiet lately and alot, of moves were made today gimme an nri at least
by tbote123 on Jan 24, 2012 6:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Give the devil his due
Boras sure is good at what he does. Nine years? $214 mil?
Yeesh.
"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.
Scott Bora$$ is the devil alright
by BadAndy on Jan 24, 2012 7:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The future of baseball !
“What you’ll find is that the window for a small-market team will grow smaller and eventually go away completely. Eventually, it becomes like Premier League soccer, where the teams that spend the most money are the teams that win every year. They’ll all come from the top quartile in payroll.”
-Billy Beane
" I think this is probably the best team ever assembled. They talk about the Vince Lombardi Era, but I think the Chuck Noll Era is even greater. " - Mel Blount
by michaelbro8 on Jan 24, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Don’t get me wrong, I love the Premier League (Manchester United fan) but I do hate that only a handful of teams are able to compete for the title and other trophies every year (Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal) and the rest of the league is fighting to just stay in the league because they’ll never have the finances to compete for signing the top players.
Basically if your a fan of the other PL teams like West Bromwich Albion, Wolverhampton Wanders, Sunderland or Fulham, all your wishing your team can do is to finish with a decent showing in the table and the other tourneys and stay in the league because your fanbase would rather fight to stay in top flight football to see your club compete with the big boys then to get relegated to the Championship (2nd division of English football) and lost all the money your club recieves from being in the top division of football.
See where i’m going with this?
I wonder if the Pirates were a PL team which would we be? I want to say Blackburn Rovers but since our manager isn’t a idiot I don’t think the comparison would be good.
Ovechkin-Leich-Semin: The greatest line in hockey..............................Tee Hee
Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 24, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly not two teams you mentioned
QPR because they have a owner who has money to burn (Tony Fernandes) and although Norwich dosen’t have a fantastic squad by any means, they have the coaching and players necessary to be scrappy and work hard to get points. Pirate players anymore sand a couple of players seem just to play for a paycheck.
Bolton could be a good example, but although I said it would be a good comparison, I keep coming back to Blackburn. like the Pirates they have shitty ownership, average attendance and a team with only a handful of good players (Yakubu, Chris Samba and Junior Hoiliett). Wigan could also be a good example but they have good ownership with Dave Whelan at the helm (even though he is a frugal owner).
Ovechkin-Leich-Semin: The greatest line in hockey..............................Tee Hee
Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 24, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I brought up futbol
Because Billy Beane said with how teams are doleing out money for FA’s, the MLB is slowly turning into the Premier League. That’s how it got brought up.
Ovechkin-Leich-Semin: The greatest line in hockey..............................Tee Hee
Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 25, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
good points...
if MLB was set up for a 2 tiered relegation league, do you think this would impact the games popularity (one way or the other ) ?
" I think this is probably the best team ever assembled. They talk about the Vince Lombardi Era, but I think the Chuck Noll Era is even greater. " - Mel Blount
I don't think it will
Because the teams the majority of MLB fans watch on TV (Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers etc) would never be bad enough to be relegated. The teams that would always be near the relegated zone (Pirates, Royals Orioles etc) are teams that MLB fans wouldn’t cry about if we went away.
Ovechkin-Leich-Semin: The greatest line in hockey..............................Tee Hee
Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 24, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
I see this and read "Don't get me wrong, I love the Major League of American Baseball (New York Yankees fan)..."
Man City didn’t compete for jackshit for eons until the recent $$ infusion. It’s funny that you mention Fulham, who are in the Premiership precisely because of a money mark buying them. They t’weren’t bupkis before that. I haven’t followed for many years and also find it bizarre that Wolves and West Brom are even up.
by tobynotjason on Jan 24, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Man you sound angry by the way the post is written
Sorry if you don’t like that i’m a United but i’m a red devil through and through, been that way since I was a kid. Love the coach, the players and the rich tradition it carries. I guess you think because i’m from a small market I should follow a team like Stoke. Nope.
Yeah I know that Man City was a frugal team before Shiek Mansour bought the team in 2008. Before Man City won the FA Cup in 2011 they went 30 some years without winning a single trophy and at one point the team was in the abyss so bad that it went from being in the PL to at one point getting relegated to the 3rd division of English football.
I know Mohammed Al-Fayed since buying Fulham have put a decent amount of money into the club and its because of him that Fulham is in the PL, but its never never going to be enough for them to actually win the league. Hell with City 800 million have been pumped into the club since ’08 and all they have to show for it so far is a FA Cup.
West Brom and Wolves stay up is the same reason Wigan stays up: They eak out points. Neither of the three teams I mentioned have fantastic players, but the players are well enough to stay in the PL and all three teams have coaches that are good enough to keep a bottom table afloat.
Ovechkin-Leich-Semin: The greatest line in hockey..............................Tee Hee
Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 24, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, well, I LOATHE Manyoo. More than I loathe any team in any other team sport on earth.
Perhaps you should examine the implications of the sentence “been that way since I was a kid” as regards picking an team to support in a foreign team sport with limited domestic exposure (VERY limited assuming you aren’t 22 or something). ;)
I remember City in the 2nd division very well – I probably followed football more closely that year (’98) than any other. I actually bought a subscription to West Ham internet radio play-by-play that year with a dial-up modem. No wait, maybe that was the season after they came up to 1st Division… ’99.
by tobynotjason on Jan 25, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, well, I LOATHE Manyoo. More than I loathe any team in any other team sport on earth.
I’m sorry you feel that way, I really am. And I don’t need to examine any of my comments.
Ovechkin-Leich-Semin: The greatest line in hockey..............................Tee Hee
Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 26, 2012 5:07 AM EST up reply actions
Great pix-1st time I have seen a guy scoring from 1st!
Pix is reversed. Fielder looks like he is coming down the 1st baseline!
Anyway, another FA signs where he can win a title and get big bucks!
you can tell it's not reversed
because of the “Bucco Blasts” sign visible on the wall, which is in PNC’s RF.
(Also, you can see which side of the line the base is on).
I remember this play. Fielder tried to bowl Kratzy over but he held onto it.
only chance we'll get to see Prince wearing a Bucco helmet
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jan 24, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
this is the play fielder threw a forearm shiver at katz
he should of been suspended.
by karreemofwheat on Jan 25, 2012 7:13 AM EST up reply actions
it wasnt that dirty of a play. because it was fielder, people got pissed off about it.
but fielder got the worst of it and kratz got on ESPN. no worries.
i saw it and i played the game
fielder threw a forearm. just because it did not inflict damage, does’t justify fielder for throwing it. they charge the mound for less.
by karreemofwheat on Jan 25, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
we discussed in a previous thread
my status as an allstar ss in tee ball. i’m still looking for my cleats.
by karreemofwheat on Jan 25, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Out of the
NL Central. All I care about. This is really a perfect storm. This all puts one of the leading contenders for Cespedes out of the market (probably). That’s both good and bad. Means the Cubs could get them, but maybe us.
On the perfect storm though, I more mean how wide open the Central is becoming from say 2014-2016 or 17
Astros – Gone
Brewers – Prince gone. Braun older. Unlikely they can keep all four of Weeks, Gallardo, Marcum, and Greinke and they have an awful awful farm system.
Cubs – Hopefully still rebuilding. If they can’t get a guy like Cesepedes or Solar, the Cubs could still be rebuilding. Remember, IIRC, the Cubs still have to give up assets for Theo and Hoyer.
Cardinals – One of our main competitors most likely. Pujols is gone, Wainwright’s health is uncertain, and Holliday, Berkman, and Beltran are all old. They traded away Rasmus, their best chance at an impact hitter that will be around for years. They have great pitching in their farm system, but are shallow in-terms of young, impact bats.
Reds – Also another main competitor. Alot depends on if they can keep Votto. Even if they can, they are weak on pitching, gutted their farm system a bit trading for Latos and Marshall, and may not be able to hold onto Latos in a few years.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jan 24, 2012 7:33 PM EST reply actions
Remember, the Cubs actually have a real general manager now, and the funding to go with it. If you think that Epstein will still be rebuilding in 3 years…
No
major free agents, at least none like Pujols or Fielder, on the market soon, and serious restrictions on the draft now. It’s not gonna be an overnight thing. Plus I don’t think Theo walks on water like most do.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jan 24, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
No the Cubs haven't, but the Red Sox core
came thru the draft. Guys like Youk, Pedroia, Lester, Bucholz, Ellsbury, etc came up and starred or their farm system netted them other building blocks like Beckett. Their biggest gaffes were in free agency, not their farm system. But yes, the Sox were already good when all those players started coming up…Cubs are in a much different situation.
Not to mention the value that Epstein got for his prospects. I’m not his biggest fan, but he’s used the Boston-Yankees prospect hype machine to perfection.
Yes...
I believe the only big player he gave up of consequence (and its a big one) was Hanley.
Actually he never gave up Hanley Ramirez
If you remember when the Red Sox acquired Mike Lowell from Florida that’s when Epstein took a leave a abstance from the team and the trade was made by Ben Cherrington, Jed Hoyer and some other guy.
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by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 25, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
My buddy, Typical Loudmouth Red Sox Fan
constantly says this. Granted, without Beckett and Lowell, they never win in 2007. Apparently, breaking the curse meant that WS titles mean nothing anymore. I’d happily sign off on stripping the cupboards mostly bare if it guaranteed a 2012 championship…and I have the Steelers and Pens winning chamionships for my city.
This
Couldn’t agree more with that statement Cutch.
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by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 24, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Cespedes
10 k in35 ab thats enough of a sample size for me o ya and hes 26 id rate him as our 6th best outfielder in the system
by tbote123 on Jan 24, 2012 8:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
brilliant!
i truly feel like next year 2013 and 2014 are OUR years. we will win the division one of the two. 2015 is too hard to see that far into the future
Yes,
and…..?
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jan 24, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
That Nutting is cheap and we should of signed Maholm?
I don’t know but I feel that’s what your getting at.
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by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 24, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
That
Nutting should stop lighting his cigars with $100 bills and switch to $50’s?
"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.
Pirates 2012 Opening Day payroll… $500M
Tigers 2012 Opening Day payroll…$130m
I can make up pointless “statements” too.
*neither my nor thunder’s numbers are actual facts.
by Mr. E on Jan 25, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sums up my thoughts pretty well.
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by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 25, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
That will never be me
I look out of place with overalls on.
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by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 25, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Someday when I have the time to develop some semblance of photoshop skills, I’m going to paste the faces of Nutting, Coonelly, NH and Hurdle into that pic.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
Zing!
But IMO that’d work better if the picture was of a horse… you’d know where to photoshop the face.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jan 25, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I said Tabata because hes the only pirate locked down for years... put a leash on him too
plus I wouldnt lump in Smizik with those guys. thats just cruel.
Yeah.
And usually by June 1st it’s too hot out to be wearing overalls.
I prefer pants.
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by IAPiratesFan on Jan 25, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
he is the song that goes with the picture
by karreemofwheat on Jan 25, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Gloom, despair and agony on me.
Nineteen years of darkness, how much longer can it be?
If it weren’t for Andrew we’d have no team at all.
Gloom, despair and agony on me.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
by WTM on Jan 25, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thats me now!
buy june 1, the cider will be plenty hard.
by karreemofwheat on Jan 25, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
"the cider"
…so that’s what the kids are calling it these days, eh?
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jan 25, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
over / under on Fielder being healthy & productive __x__years from now ?
I say 3
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I'll give him 5 to 7.
Let’s not forget this guy can play 160 games a season and still perform. His decline may not be so severe as a DH.
He’s strong, can move with agility for how big the guy is, and even if he keeps playing first he’s not exactly a defensive liability.
Still, he’ll most likely be a shell of his current self in the last few years of the contract.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
He is most DEFINITELY a defensive liability at first. He has 1 positive UZR through his defensive prime. What’s great is that he adds quite a bit of value if you only DH him.
Absolutely, look at David Ortiz for proof.
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by Bradley James McEachern on Jan 25, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
plus Fielder is a 'stats first" kind of dewshbag
he’ll be putting up numbers at his teammates expense for years to come… will be wonderful to see whom is the alphadog in detroit once cabrera feels threatened.
How in the world
do you put up stats at the expense of your teammates in baseball? I can see it in other sports, but he can’t just take someone else’s AB. I have no idea what you are talking about. The only stat that even remotely makes sense for this arguement is RBI, and that is pretty shaky.
by Wizard of Woz on Jan 25, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
tell you what...
the next time that Fielder bunts to 3B on a shift, then i’ll take back what I said.
mmmkay?
So...
does that mean Ted Williams was a “stats first” dewshbag too? You know, since he didn’t bunt against the shift either…
yes
ted williams, as great a hitter as he was, dewshy.
anyway, i have not idea if fielder is truly that way. i just like talking shit about him, and not the easy “fat ass vegan” stuff.
ted williams, as great a hitter as he was, dewshy.
I think you can argue that it’s actually one of the main reasons he was as great as he was.
DiMaggio was dewshy (by the way, I like this spelling of the word so much better as well) too and he went to 10 World Series. I think dewshness crosses winning and losing.
But you’re not alone in saying that about Williams though; you should see some of the stuff that was written about him in the press back then. Might be borderline libelous today.
I’d still probably take him over Joe D as a player.
by NastyNate82 on Jan 26, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Pirates vs. Tigers payrolls
Thunder, how much would you like to bet that the Tigers don’t get 3x the number of wins than the Pirates for the 3x payroll??
by impliedi on Jan 25, 2012 12:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say 6
I think people are just looking too much at the contract itself. Of course its ridiculous to pay a large man (who will likely get massier) over the course of the contract that type of money. But look at their division. The Tigers have, probably the 3 best players in that division on their team…they have 4 of the top 5 players in WAR from last year in the AL Central (the only other one is Alex Gordon). If Jacob Turner turns into a good #2 (which many think he can do) they could dominate that division for 5-6 years. If he doesn’t, they’ll still likely win that division almost every year. And if you’re in the playoffs every year for 5-6 years in a row, thats not really overpaying on that. If they win 2 titles and make the playoffs 6 times, say, 6 times in Prince’s time in Detroit…thats probably worth it.
How is "early decline written all over him"?
Is it the skills decline based on an assumption of getting larger?
Because I don’t see it in his stats, although you could probably make an argument using comparables.
Also, with a guy like Fielder, it doesn’t matter if you’re paying him $10 M or $25 M. There is no overpaying. WAR doesn’t matter. Maybe in a salary cap paradigm, but not here.
Defense will let them down
Cant imagine Miggys fat ass at third and Peralta has no range at short. Sorry to Tigers fans but this doesnt put them ahead of Texas or the Yankees, even Tampa and Boston are still ahead of them
The best "commentary" I've heard
has got to be John Kruk on ESPN. His opinion is that Fielder was the best player available (debatable I suppose.) and that his deal was a great one! I’ll give it three-four years at best before this is talked about with the Alfonso Soriano deal as huge mistakes. If you ask me, it’s an overpay next year, let alone 8 years from now.
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Everyone blasts the Soriano contract now
I don’t remember what people said when he signed it though…he used to be a tremendous power/speed combo, but leg injuries sapped his speed and age basically did the rest. Too bad, he was a very fun (and flawed) player for several years.
"I don’t remember what people said when he signed it though"
I remember exactly what I said:
.
“AHHHH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!”
Then I stopped to wipe away the tears.
Then: “AHHHH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!!!!”
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jan 25, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Back of the napkin calculations
Give me that they are paying for about 6 wins this coming year for Fielder, with a .5 yearly aging decrease and 5% increase (using Tango’s method). He was at 5.5 last year, with the previous years at 3.4 and 6.4. Using a simple 3/4/5 weighting projects him at about 5 wins, even next year. Detroit is betting that he will reverse his trend, and age like a normal baseball player, though his body type would tend to indicate otherwise. I feel like this is a severe overpay, and a really bad contract. Yuck.
It depends...
if they win a couple of titles and dominate the division for 5 years in a row (odds are pretty good they’ll be there for that long with Prince, Cabrera, Verlander and a pretty solid supporting cast) and make the playoffs for about that long, then…yeah, I’d say it is worth it.
Well
The Dunkin Donuts franchises of Detroit are celebrating
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
Perspectives become reality.
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by glass0941 on Jan 25, 2012 5:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
why ?
pizza is vegetarian w/o pepp,saus, bacon, meat ball, etc……
by karreemofwheat on Jan 25, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Now only $129.99
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