Edwin Jackson has multiyear offer from mystery team
Its not Boston or St. Louis. It might be the Orioles.
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Not Boston, not St. Louis...
…not Pittsburgh.
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
Yeah. I mean really, is there any serious reason to think it’s the Pirates?
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jan 26, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
You and me both
I’ve been banging the drum for Jackson since it was revealed Diamondbacks were dangling him leading up to the 2010 deadline (knew there was no way we’d get Haren; thought and still think Jackson would make a nice addition.)
That said, there’s no actual reason to think, as Charlie says, that the Bucs are in to the slightest degree. They’ve not been mentioned as connected to him in the baseball media beyond some vague statements like “Jackson would make sense several teams, including the Pirates.”
Similarly operating as a “mystery team” and bidding on a pitcher who’s either going to sign for $10-$12MM per year on a 3 or 4 year deal or maybe $15MM on a one year deal doesn’t really fit either Huntington’s operational profile or his budget.
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
I think I've figured out the mystery team's identity
It’s the one that exists in Scott Boras’s imagination that allows him to drive up the price between two other bidders.
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The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
That team is disgustingly good
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I do
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
yeah 10 mil per is fair for his skill
The number of years concerns me
i just dont see it
high WHIP, doesnt dominate RH batters. then again, LH batters dont dominate him either.
Well
I know this is different…but if Maholm’s option was for 9 mill this past year, I can certainly see Edzo getting 10 per.
yeah, and with guys like Wolf making bank in the recent past, I can see the comparison...
I just dont see the big deal in the guy.
by white angus on Jan 26, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Again, back of napkin
but he has been at 3.8 WAR for the last two years. If we call him a 3.5 WAR player for this year, with a .5 WAR yearly decline, and a 10% increase on our supposed open market $/WAR of $5 mil, then,
Year WAR Value
12 3.5 17.5
13 3.0 16.5
14 2.5 15.2
15 2.0 13.3
16 1.5 10.1
So if we see him as a true talent 3.5 War pitcher and he follows a fairly normal aging curve, 5/50 would give about $22.6M in surplus value.
If we instead assume he has been over his head the last 2 years, and is really a 3 WAR pitcher this year, using the same assumptions,
12 3.0 15..0
13 2.5 13.8
14 2.0 12.1
15 1.5 10.0
16 1.0 7.3
That still gives us a $58.2 M value over the length of a 5 year deal, or $8 M in surplus value.
I know you don’t buy into WAR, but many teams, one way or another, come up with similar values for contracts. I say he will get somewhere in the 5/68 range.
by Wizard of Woz on Jan 27, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
i understand that teams do use WAR
but teams also know why Jackson has been with a boatload of teams before his 30th birthday and the reasons behind it. Ive never heard anything bad about Jackson the man, but never have heard anything really good about his pitching either.
- used to have a cannon arm, not so much now.
- still has high WHIP
- doesnt dominate RH batters
sometimes its more than just stats, but Im starting to understand what you guys say about “value” according to the metrics, especially when its comparing to other players with similar stats. i dont agree with the outcome, but i understand the theory.
As far as Jackson's arm goes
it’s actually not much different than when he was younger. His avg fastball as a rookie was 95 and last year it was 94.7 so he’s still got a pretty live fastball. Now I’m not the biggest fan of Jackson’s and didn’t really want him for the 5 yr/$60M range that he was asking at the start of the offseason. Since his demands have dropped, though, I’d have no problem with a 4 or 5 year deal for 40-50 mil…
by KentuckyPirate on Jan 27, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
MLB Trade Rumors is reporting he has multiple 3 year deals, but no 4 year deals. His asking price has dropped significantly, and is in the pirates price range. The Pirates need to offer him the 4th year, and commit 40 million. A starting pitcher is a major need for this 2012 team, and this would be the first major free agent signing in who knows how long. Would create good will, while also addressing a need at a good price
I saw that
All long term deals carry risk but committing to a guy for his age 28 through his age 31 years are about as safe as you’re going to get. Since other teams seem reluctant to give him a fourth year, I’d say go for it now and give him 4 years/$40M. That would put him in Pittsburgh at least as long as Cutch is (barring any trades) and would give us a nice veteran presence when Cole and Taillon get here in ’13 or ’14.
by KentuckyPirate on Jan 28, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Just cause guys get traded
doesn’t mean they’re not good. Happened to David Cone for years for God-knows-why. Frankly, if other teams are too stupid to see a semi-young pitcher who never gets hurt and throws hard as a boon to their chances, then I’d sign him.
by NastyNate82 on Jan 28, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
probably the Orioles
they’ve been trying to splurge all offseason
i'm more optimistic
to me since the beginning of the offseason i’ve thought we’d have a real shot to sign Ejax. he is the quintessential N H type of player. he’s been undervalued most of his career, and we would probably be signing him to a ‘win’ of a deal for our tearm. Just where do you think he’s going to sign then? It’s not with the Red Sox or the Yankees and for a player that’s been traded as many times as he has, maybe he wants to be part of something different.
i think the grumblings have an effect too, this is the perfect situation for them to ‘prove’ that they’re committed to winning and spending to win. They aren’t dumb, at all! They perfectly realize that yinzer nation will go bonkers if we sign ejax to a multiyear deal and it’s a safe bet that as long as we’re at 500 we’re going to sell out nearly every game
this week – bucs sign ejax – mark it down!
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