Tony Sanchez Broke His Jaw--Again
The Tribune-Review reports in this morning's edition that Tony Sanchez sustained a broken jaw in a bar fight about three months ago while he was participating in the Florida Instructional League. The Pirates, adhering to team policy concerning misconduct and discipline, are refusing to comment on the matter and Sanchez did not return phone calls or emails to Rob Biertempfel of the Trib.
The good news is that Sanchez appeared to be in good health during the team's minicamp three weeks ago. The bad news ... well, aside from an apparent clear lack of judgment now being displayed on more than one occasion (see: Sanchez/Twitter), the former first-round pick has now broken his jaw twice in less than two years. The fact that he appeared fully healed within two months would suggest this break wasn't as serious as the first.
This will undoubtedly be pursued doggedly until someone comments. It will be interesting to see if that someone eventually is Sanchez or the Pirates themselves.
(H/T El Duce and others)
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Anything can happen to anyone...
But did anyone hear anything of character issues pre-draft?
Also half jokingly, catchers are suppose to be tough guys, why is he losing bar fights?
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
by Kosstic518 on Jan 31, 2012 6:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Character....
was high, if not on the top, of the list of reasons the Pirates chose Sanchez where they did.
The Hammer Speaks
Extra Innings
Twitter: @DTonPirates and @hammerspeaks
That.....
and of course him agreeing to slot and being an easy and willing sign.
The Hammer Speaks
Extra Innings
Twitter: @DTonPirates and @hammerspeaks
Very unfortunate
At least Sanchez played well pre injuries. If this isn’t overly serious he’s still young enough with a chance to get back on track. I wonder if this voids any sort of clause in his contract?
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
by Kosstic518 on Jan 31, 2012 6:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Unlikely to void his contract
Even if there is a character clause in there, something “mild” like a barfight is unlikely to change anything.
by KentuckyPirate on Jan 31, 2012 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
Generally when you break the other guy's jaw, it means you win.
Unless of course he broke your jaw too.
You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu
by IAPiratesFan on Jan 31, 2012 6:51 AM EST up reply actions
i mean, i broke my big toe in a fight with Anup Sinha...
… when I pulled my foot out of his tuckus.
by white angus on Jan 31, 2012 6:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WTF happened to that guy? His site like disappeared one day and I haven’t heard anything from him since.
The site was Jake’s. Could be Anup finally realized who he was dealing with, or Jake just pulled the plug for whatever loony reason. His sites never last long.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
Jake still will throw out the occasional post.
He’s good at digging up some interesting stuff, but his negativity grates on me.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
by Nate Wilder on Jan 31, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
He’s good atdiggingmaking up some interesting stuff…
Fixed that for you.
by Vlad on Jan 31, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
Touche. I didn’t know what the vibe was around these parts with him.
I used to get his emails when he was doing “subscriptions”
I got more updates about his kid’s travel team than the Pirates.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
by Nate Wilder on Jan 31, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
No idea.
I’d wager the kids because I read his stuff a lot during the 2010 season.
Never heard how the games went, just that his kid was like 11 playing with older kids and was the second coming of Roger Clemmens.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
FTFY....
He’s good at making upsome interesting stuffridiculous crap….
You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu
by IAPiratesFan on Jan 31, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
a shady, fairly random guy
he used to post the most fantastic conspiracy theories while claiming insider information. Typically, sooner or later, whoever was reading would realize that it was too much of a soap opera to be true, and it wasn’t true. He’d also periodically be outed as a hoax, or he’d get bored, at which point he’d wind up his current blog, and resurface with a new one at some point.
Anup Sinha used to write on his latest blog/platform, which was a pity since Sinha had been a real scout, and had some legitimate knowledge to share (although his current views on the Pirates system were somewhat out there)— used to write, i.e., till Jake (probably) decided it was time to move on!
He's still out there.
You just can’t comment on anything.
Starling Marte isn’t a good runner according to him.
Jameson Taillion is heading to the bullpen too, according to last week’s snippet.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
My favorite Jake piece:
It’s really unbelievable the shock wave that is running through the Pirates fan base all because they picked Moskos. Irate fan sites are lit up like a Christmas tree asking everything from new yellow t-shirts to be put on the market, to new protests to be formed.
It’s utterly hilarious.
I mean, it’s the end of the world as we know it all because, at worse case scenario, Moskos was selected a couple of picks before he would have gone.
Pl-eeeaseee…
[…]
To call Moskos an overdraft is ludicrous.
[…]
He was a perfect pick for the Bucs and why I had him #2 on the odds chart based on all the conversations I had with folks in the industry. He’s a perfect fit. -Jake at Bucco Blog, “The Sky is Falling”, 6/7/2007
That is literally...
the best piece of literature Ive read recently.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
We have GOT to have a dedicated Best of Jake thread someday.
To me, nothing can ever beat him getting outed at Primer.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
What happened there?
I don’t know that story.
by Wizard of Woz on Feb 1, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
It's kind of scattered around...
The upshot of it is that BTF has a newsblog where members can submit articles for discussion, and Jake was submitting his own pieces on the down-low (a no-no), under the handle of “4seamer”. And then when people predictably used the threads to slag on jake, “4seamer” would defend him.
A sample:
9. 4seamer Posted: November 22, 2008 at 06:17 PM (#3014288)
well, looks like little Bucco Blog has become a player today as Rosenthal mentioned this deal in his column and named Bucco Blog as the original source.
10. Teufel’s Graveyard Posted: November 22, 2008 at 06:38 PM (#3014297)
Rosenthal writes:
“But that possibility, first reported by Bucco Blog, was dismissed by another source as “inaccurate” and having “no foundation.”"
11. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: November 22, 2008 at 06:43 PM (#3014302)
Wow, Bucco Blog is now being called worthless by guys like Rosenthal, rather than just Pirate fans at BTF. It’s really made the big time.
QOTD:
(referring to 4seamer/Jake’s “return of the Bucco Blog”):
*Good, I was worried that the Internet was running out of its supply of batshit crazy. *
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Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Feb 1, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
If you are a professional athlete and you get injured in a bar fight, you've lost even if you were able to beat up the other guy.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
by Kosstic518 on Jan 31, 2012 7:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed.
As we used to to say in sixth grade, “Smooth move, Ex-Lax.”
I will fight you.
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Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jan 31, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
If you and I
got into a bar fight, we’d be too tanked to actually connect with any punches. Mostly we’d swing our arms and fall down a lot, with occasional pauses for a refill.
I'd hit you
with my cane, and then trip you with it as I fell down.
Heh.
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Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Feb 1, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't Sanchez
Have some sort of incident at BC, where he spit on an opponent? I seem to recall reading something like that when the Pirates drafted him, although a quck Google on the subject turned up nothng, for me.
by Midnight Moose on Jan 31, 2012 7:02 AM EST up reply actions
Spit on Image of Testudo
by PensRock1 on Jan 31, 2012 7:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Spit on Testudo??
I am officially rooting against Tony Sanchez from now until the end of his inglorious career.
by GPT on Jan 31, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bravo young man, bravo
Hail, West Virginia Hail
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"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 31, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
We don't know the situation or what happened
could have been a number of things of events that could have taken place, sucker punched, friend got into it with someone and he tried to break it up and got swung on, So a guy hit a woman or do something to her in a sexually abusive way and he went to try and stop him and got rocked… There are a lot of situations here where he could been innocent or did the right thing….. Or he could have just got into a fight to get into a fight, ya know Tony just might of had a bad day.
still
Sanchez needs to focus on making it to the show instead of being a juiced up musclehead wanna be.
This has the makings of bonafide first round bust if he don’t get his shiz together NOW.
YEAH
SALE THE DRAFT PICK
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Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jan 31, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
or they should of drafted an other player
who is more mature. the fight was with a team mate over how messy sanchez locker had become.
"please buy the team mr. cuban"
So is your mastery of the English language.
Thank you Ned Colletti.
by ryebr3ad on Jan 31, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he gained 20 lbs of muscle
hes a bad ass now, he can do what he wants, The guy he fought got lucky cause he already had a weak jaw. I think Tony should challenge who ever fought him again!!! Nutting can sale tickets like a concert after the game!!!
This kind of stuff does happen...
…but it happens less often in church, or at the library, or watching TV in your hotel room.
Just sayin’.
Touchdown Tony?
Do you really expect any sports player to do those things all day, every day?
I am 100% on board with BigB2323… good character is someone who wouldn’t sit idly by in a situation where you should act. Your profession shouldn’t matter when choosing between right and wrong.
I could feel his muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm. ~~ Mike Tyson
Who says that he was “choosing between right and wrong”, or that he was in a situation where he should have acted? All we know At this point is that he was in a bar, and got into a fight.
by Vlad on Jan 31, 2012 10:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
as Vlad says above, it’s most likely that the barfight didnt stem from choosing between right and wrong…
by BurgherKing on Jan 31, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know
I’ve seen and been in my fair share of fights, and they’re all revolving around a friend getting jumped, or a girl I’m with getting handled roughly… I’d say that it’s not as clear cut in either direction.
Suggesting someone go to church instead is just ridiculous reasoning
I could feel his muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm. ~~ Mike Tyson
Suggesting someone go to church instead is just ridiculous reasoning
Doesn’t have to be church – I said a library or an empty room with a TV, too. Just somewhere that there aren’t drunken idiots getting into fights that can ruin your career before it starts.
I'll bet
Brien Taylor wishes he spent more time in an empty room with a TV.
by KentuckyPirate on Jan 31, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
you could always pull a fight club
by gorillagogo on Jan 31, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That Fight Club clip is perfect.
You are killing me, GGG. I am not skilled with the “rec” honors and tried to give you kudos for the video clip.
Hope I succeeded. If I totally messed up instead and accidentally reported you to the moderators … well, I will do my best Ed Norton impression.
You obviously aren't catholic....
….we have LOTS of drunken idiots who can ruin a man in the Catholic Church!
Yeah,
I have to be careful how I use that “was he in a bar or was he in church?” line, ever since that kid football player from Pitt got some booze from a priest and went crawling around up in the church rafters and fell to his death. Anybody remember his name? This was I dunno, six, seven years ago?
Billy Gaines
Ugh, I had forgotten about that story.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 1, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
"been in my fair share of fight" .... Cheap Beer
I think I see your problem.
I have never seen a fight at a Sharp Edge.
I'm a live music guy
… and prefer roots country/bluegrass/folkrock, and those tend to get a bit drunk and rowdy. Every once in awhile I have to remind someone of their manners towards the fairer, and I’ve never started a fight.
I could feel his muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm. ~~ Mike Tyson
I've been in a mosh pit or two
but there always seemed to be a kind of etiquette to the swirling mayhem. And if it got a little too ecstatic I’d move to the back.
I’m trying to visualize a fight at a folkrock show and not much is coming to me. Hackysacks at 10 paces?
ha
Example — Memphis in May (Beale Street Music Fest) where it’s mixed genre… Watching Mumford & Sons and a guy openly laid his hands on my girlfriends sister. I gave him the option to leave the area, or I’d return the favor… he took option 2, then about 5 minutes later took option 1.
I could feel his muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm. ~~ Mike Tyson
why am i picturing Vincent Gambini right now???
“Let me axe you did…Did ya hoit yaself on your property or someone elses?”
by white angus on Jan 31, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
hey, we assed youse ta leave, now youse kant leave.
by karreemofwheat on Jan 31, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I did not say what I said here today... capiche.
I could feel his muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm. ~~ Mike Tyson
sonny
bronx tale reference, the biker scene.
by karreemofwheat on Jan 31, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
as bucdaddy points out, its not that hard to avoid fights
a friend got jumped? Drag him out, and move on to the next bar.
girl getting handled roughly? Same as above. If you feel really strongly, call the cops maybe after leaving.
Fights rarely end well.
by BurgherKing on Jan 31, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Sigh
I see your point but don’t agree with it… chivalry is lost because chivalry is no longer exercised.
I could feel his muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm. ~~ Mike Tyson
i understand your point
and its great to be chivalrous. But it’s not particularly smart in today’s age when a random guy with nothing to lose might pull a gun and fire— if you have something to lose, it’s smart to walk away.
Actually, even in the medieval concepts of chivalry, all that happened was a duel, where the chivalrous guy might well lose (his life). What’s the point? Pick your battles. (Not you, specifically, but just in general)
by BurgherKing on Jan 31, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Sometimes you don't have the smart option
and you certainly should gauge your situation before deciding on an action. Sometimes your involvement in a situation is chosen for you, etc.
I guess I don’t avoid the things I like to do based on the worst outcome, and I wouldn’t expect any player to sit remove himself from activities because of the possible bad actions of others.
I also believe that If the Pirates felt that there was something wrong with his actions, they probably would have acted on it.
I could feel his muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm. ~~ Mike Tyson
I would expect them to avoid certain things. You’re a professional athlete now, not a college student. I am your employer and have a large stake in your future. I’m going to expect you not to go on bar crawls and do stupid things anymore. If it’s that important to you to get drunk all the time, give up on sports. Or else, be responsible and smart.
by thecheeseisblue on Jan 31, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or get married, which provides the illusion you did those ither things.
See: Roethlisberger, Ben
Actually...
many women see chivalry as institutionalized mysoginy anyway … so, do yourself a favor and forget about it.
Be kind, gentle, and thoughtful to the women in your life, sure.
by RetireNutting on Jan 31, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
i dont know about that, pahdnah...
holding a door open for a lady and giving her a nice smile can easily get a big smile back… unless shes better looking than you are, then you pretty much feel like a schlep
Yes.
I’ve especially never quite understood the guys (they seem largely to be NFL and NBA players, take that FWIW) with the $100 million contracts who could, presumably, build the world’s greatest strip club out back of the McMansion and fill it with the world’s best strippers and invite celebrities and have the posse hang out there all the time, rather than venturing into places where people feel the need to carry guns.
I mean, that’s what I would do.
One flaw in this is road travel
I’d have a touring McTouringbus rather than a steady locale, and I could make it rain in all 50 states.
I could feel his muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm. ~~ Mike Tyson
If Mrs. Bucdaddy said it was OK
I get all my orthopedic advice from Dr. Rob Dibble
It's because they have extremely low self esteem and feel the need to be seen in order to feel like they are important.
When in actuality, either way, they are not important.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Well they and their friends are the ones carrying the guns… It is part of their life.
by tsbulldawgs64 on Jan 31, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, that's my line!
Every time some knucklehead jock gets in a fight, or robbed, or shot at, I always ask: Was he in church at noon on Sunday or in a strip club at midnight on Saturday?
Then I answer B, and I am almost never wrong.
And even if you DO frequent bars … well, I have been in many many bars many many times and somehow, some way, I have managed to avoid getting into a bar fight. It’s possible, apparently, to do so your whole life. Starts with picking your bars well and continues with not being an idiot.
I must go to a rougher church than you all
Always a fight breaking out over who finished the last chalice of wine…
Somebody
Needs to get Crash Davis in here to teach him the two rules of barfights:
1) Never hit a drunk with your throwing hand
2) Never let a drunk smash your face in
by KentuckyPirate on Jan 31, 2012 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
But did anyone hear anything of character issues pre-draft?
He was substantially overweight at the start of his college career, though he trimmed up by the year he was drafted. That’s maybe a character issue of a sort, if you harbor aspirations toward high level athletics? I dunno.
eh
You could just as easily spin it as a positive, in that he was able to get his weight under control. Weight loss is hard.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jan 31, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Bar fights, I can’t spin as a positive.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jan 31, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think we know enough yet
to really pass judgement of any kind. Do we even know for sure that Sanchez took a swing at anybody? If a drunk walked up to Sanchez in a bar where Tony was minding his own business, said “Boston College SUCKS! Go IRISH! (I’m a Notre Dame fan btw)” and popped him in the mouth, it would still be classified as a “bar fight” by the time it made it to social media. It still could have broken his jaw but it would be hard to fault him for those circumstances.
I’m not saying this happened or that it’s even especially likely to have gone down this way. All I’m suggesting is that until we have the actual story (if we ever do) I choose to not pass any judgement past being annoyed that a prospect suffered an injury.
by KentuckyPirate on Jan 31, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
his nick name was pinata
so that should tell you some about his skills.
"please buy the team mr. cuban"
Yoslan Herrera
Will forever be the one and only Pinata.
Evidently….SOMEONE can’t keep quiet (the winner of the fight, perhaps). How else would this story see the light of day? The Pirates obviously didn’t release the information…and apparently, neither did Sanchez, or local law enforcement, wherever it occurred.
an oprah act can be filed, yes?
the truth will come out.
by karreemofwheat on Jan 31, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
People in the know
seeing Tony with his jaw wired shut?
"Hey, Tony! How ya doin,' my man?"
nvr btr, bro, nvr btr. um, kn ooo hnd me dat mlkshk?
by bucdaddy on Jan 31, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Tomorrow: Sanchez tweets that he’s not going in bars any more.
Next day: Dejan rips “thin-skinned” Pirates for barring players from Happy Hour.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
by WTM on Jan 31, 2012 7:50 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
haha
Dejan has a lot of issues, I know the people in the Penguins camp aren’t too happy with him either for making up false information or reporting false information without getting the facts 100% about “Secret Captaincy Meetings” involving Sidney lol
Kovacevic is awful
I always knew he was a horrible reporter, but I figured an honest one. But to blatantly make up a false story like the Pens’s supposed secret meetings to replace Sid as captain and have the gall to cite fictional “sources” tends to confirm he’s also a lying hack.
My sources tell me the Pirates attempted to sign Albert Pujols in December to a 10 year/275 million dollar contract but were shot down. Hire me, Trib! My sources are just as real as Dejan’s!
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
But to blatantly make up a false story like the Pens’s supposed secret meetings to replace Sid as captain and have the gall to cite fictional "sources" tends to confirm he’s also a lying hack.
I don’t really follow hockey. Is it possible that he was just misled by a bad tip?
Possible
But if memory serves he cited three players telling him about the alleged “meeting.”
Unless it was a concocted scheme by some players to get a message out in the media that they could rally the team around…which is not necessarily as crazy as it sounds, I must admit.
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
Dejan
But to blatantly make up a false story
Where was it proven that the event never happened? Because the penguins players said it never did? of course they would say that. I highly doubt he would cite fictional sources.
Can't prove a negative
It’s on DK to prove it DID happen since he’s the only one on record saying it did.
Plus, I’m not going to give him the benefit of the doubt given the fact that he’s a mediocre reporter at best and a hack columnist.
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
given the fact that he’s a mediocre reporter at best
That certainly hasn’t been my experience with his baseball work, though as I said, I don’t really follow hockey.
I will say...
…his baseball reporting is better than his hockey.
That said, I’m still not a fan, particularly after he recklessly reported that the Bucs would non-tender Capps if they couldn’t trade him.
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
that was true, though
It’s not Dejan’s responsibility to keep the lid on news stories.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jan 31, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Admittedly...
…that’s a personal enmity talking there.
There’s a difference between reporting the news and actively seeking to do harm.
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
i dont see why
if the Pirates cant keep their plans out of the media, thats their problem.
by BurgherKing on Jan 31, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Suppose this just boils down to a difference in personal philosophy
Shall keep my mouth shut on such topics for now :)
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
Not quite sure where this Kovacevic hatred is coming from
I’ve always thought his work is top notch coming out of Pittsburgh – and with regards to the secret meeting business, he reported it, disclosed what information he could about his sources, and then left it there. It was dug up and re-dugup by the local fans to be made a juggernaut of a story that it became – so much so that he finally had to say, “No more comment on it, it is what it is”.
His hockey work may not be as good as his baseball work, but he was solely on the PBC beat when he did some of his best Pirates reporting. He’s in Indianapolis right now to cover the Super Bowl, will most likely be in Bradenton whenever the Bucs are down there, will go back to Winnipeg if/when the Pens go back this season, and will be all over Steelers training camp when it opens. The dude’s covering the entire city’s sports interests, I’m inclined to give him a break here or there.
Why should people get a break for doing their jobs? That's what he is paid to do.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Was merely pointing out
what I thought was a missed observation regarding DK and his “job”.
Besides, I’ve never bought this “thats what he is paid to do” notion or idea as if I’m saying it’s wrong that criticisms were lobbed at Kovacevic in the first place. He’s a big boy, and frankly I doubt any of these criticisms make it to him anyways – if he does he’s laughing to the bank because I’m sure his salary helps him sleep well at night. I was merely questioning the criticisms that were made of DK’s work, as I clearly disagree with them. No one’s crying foul here, I’m just saying “you’re wrong” :)
I dont like Dejan at all
every since I was younger, he just always takes cheap shots without making it known. I remember watching him on the Nightly sports call the first year the pens made the playoffs in the crosby era, but it was mid season and they were going through a funk and he was yelling on the show, I told you all, they aren’t a good team, They won’t make the playoffs, just very very negative. Then they ended up making the playoffs and always remember him being such a asshole, And Bob Pomp reminded him of it on a later show, and basically said they just got lucky and blah blah, ever since then Ive never liked the man.
Never said I thought the guy was a likeable TV panelist
I’ve never really come into a ton of contact with him, I’m just familiar with his journalistic work, and was questioning the criticisms made of his work as a journalist.
To be honest, whether you like or dislike him due to how he delivered that opinion is one thing, but his opinion was at least partially correct – that team was not ready for the big time that year, and clearly showed it when they were outmatched by that Senators team.
Also entirely possible that its true.
Of course nobody is going to admit being part of those meeting after it came out, and clearly wasn’t well received.
Back on the subject. Young people sometimes do immature things, as we all did when we were young. Athletes are no less susceptible. None of us know a damn thing about what actually happened. I think people here are more frustrated by his perceived lack of progress, than what may or may not have happened in this situation.
Im just saying
you should not publish something like that unless your have a 100% positive or have multiple multiple sources. He said he had one very credible source.
i dont follow hockey much either
but i d read the original story at pensburgh. It seemed the writer was giving DK the benefit of the doubt because of his track record, and chose to believe it. Has it been proven incorrect/falsified since?
by BurgherKing on Jan 31, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I don't follow hockey at all, but if what you say about Dejan is true all I can say is I'm not surprised at all.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
But to blatantly make up a false story like the Pens’s supposed secret meetings to replace Sid as captain and have the gall to cite fictional "sources" tends to confirm he’s also a lying hack.
I don’t think it is clear who is lying in this situation. The Pens could just as easily be lying. In fact I would probably take Dejan’s word over that of the organization. And, no matter how much I despise him, Madden says the captaincy meetings happened also.
Put on your dancin' shoes.
yep
admittedly, i’m using his excellent baseball reporting as my data, but i think i’d also take DK’s version over the Pens’. (I mean, of course, the Pens are going to deny it)
Back up, guys...
Dejan didn’t report it…Biertempfel did.
I think he tangled with Randall Simon!
Was Sanchez wearing a sausage costume???
by Marooned Pirate on Jan 31, 2012 7:56 AM EST reply actions
Tony "Glass Jaw" Sanchez
A nickname is born.
by ATribeCalledGreg on Jan 31, 2012 8:11 AM EST reply actions
Glass Ton
I could feel his muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm. ~~ Mike Tyson
by Cheap Beer on Jan 31, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
everyone chill
Tony Sanchez is awesome. This writer is a clown by the way just saying things like “His defense also regressed” without any quotes sources or whatever. He tweeted at me that ‘he heard a few scouts say that’. OK pal, sure you did. Or you just were trying to pile on and sell a newspaper.
I’ve sort of realized that the reason that these awful reporters work in pittsburgh is because they are awful. Decent reporters like that girl that left for St Louis bounce as soon as they can
I have no questions about Tony Sanchez’s character. If you think he was a “problem” on twitter, then you don’t get it.
i think we made out on the deal
tom singer is a good writer. he is from pittsburgh. he interacts with the commenters, she rarely did.
by karreemofwheat on Jan 31, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
but I never heard anything about her sex. Stories?
by Wizard of Woz on Jan 31, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And I’m sure you would be making the exact same jokes if she were male.
by thecheeseisblue on Feb 1, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Actually
the joke is really on the comment by Angus. My comment does not ref, or really even relate, to Jen at all. Just a generic joke. I respect Jen very much. The same joke, in response to Angus’s comment could be made for a man too. Lighten up a bit.
by Wizard of Woz on Feb 1, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I guess that's your opinion
I think the same joke would have been made, to similar response, but if you insist on inferring sexist intents, who am I to argue. Maybe you should contact LINK.
by Wizard of Woz on Feb 1, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt that Biertempfel made up scouting reports saying that Sanchez’s defense had declined, and I disagree with your characterization of him as a hack.
by Vlad on Jan 31, 2012 10:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it could be
his numbers certainly did, although people from BD who watched him say he didn’t, and that his defense looked good. if scouts saw larger samples, its entirely possible
by BurgherKing on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Kevin Goldstein has said a few times that he regressed both offensively and defensively in 2011. Mentioned it in his Top 11.
There's no reason
to take that one report as gospel, though. Tim doesn’t seem to think he regressed:
He did make some strides on the defensive side of the ball, with the biggest improvement coming with his game calling. He already excelled in blocking pitches in the dirt, and his arm held up in his first 100+ game season, with pop times in the upper 1.80 range in September.
by KentuckyPirate on Jan 31, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
He may or may not have regressed – scouting opinions are subjective. Still, for Biertempfel’s report to be kosher, all he needs is a few scouts who think that Sanchez’s defense has regressed, and as the Goldstein link above shows, there are people with that opinion.
i'm sorry
but it just annoys me tremendously when i read articles like this and it feels like they’re trying to PERSUADE me about something. It is written in a certain with certain connotations and i feel like it isnt fair to Tony Sanchez (who i think is AWESOME) at all.
It frustrates me that Rob Biertempfel doesnt even know who Kevin Goldstein is AND THIS IS HIS JOB
Trust me...
Rob knows who Kevin Goldstein is.
The Hammer Speaks
Extra Innings
Twitter: @DTonPirates and @hammerspeaks
I’d also be willing to be the same $100 that ROB couldn’t tell you what the difference between FIP and xFIP is or explain how they’re calculated or any other number of semi-advanced baseball knowledge questions.
and yet this is his job 40 some hours a week.
I’m not trying to cause a big stink with you two but read the article that he wrote and tell me it’s not entirely one sided and without a definite ‘tone’.
The reason this annoys me is i feel like local yinzer media is to pittsburgh sports news as Fox news is to actual news. and i hate that!
In all fairness
calculating most sabermetric stats is pretty complicated. I’ve never figured out how to calculate them either. As long as you know what they mean and what ranges are acceptable actually knowing what the mathematical equations are seems a little unnecessary to me.
by KentuckyPirate on Jan 31, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Discussed on their podcast a bit too
Jason Parks said that it’s not uncommon for catchers to take a step back defensively when their offensive game struggles. He seemed to think Sanchez had a particularly awful case of it though. Entirely possible that Parks and Goldstein have the same contacts since they’re friends, but the information is definitely out there coming from someone.
“OK pal, sure you did. Or you just were trying to pile on and sell a newspaper.”
I don’t think anyone buys a newspaper because there’s an item about Tony Sanchez’s defense.
that's the tone of the trib in general though
they are the biggest 93.7 the Fan crosby isnt hurt Sale the team crowd in the universe
Maybe someone from the team knocked his ass out
… and they kept it quiet so neither party would get in trouble.
Sometimes you just need put in your place by a friend…
I could feel his muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm. ~~ Mike Tyson
Looks like...
…MMA will not be a viable career path for Tony once this baseball thing is done.
Of course that won’t matter since he’ll be here until he’s 38, going to 9 All-Star games, helping the Pirates capture 5 World Series titles and being a sure fire first ballot inductee into Cooperstown.
Right…..RIGHT?!?!?!?
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
by Raybin on Jan 31, 2012 9:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Have I ever led you amiss?
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
The kid seems to have his head on right...for the most part.
He’s 23, and despite the fact his jaw was broken again it doesnt seem like a huge deal.
People lose sight of the fact these are kids that are my age out there.
An organization like the Pirates needs a guy who will throw a punch if need be…even if he does get knocked on his ass a la Nyjer Morgan/Gaby Sanchez.
Anyone who takes fastballs off the chin and will slug a guy in a bar is alright with me.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
Or get slugged. you know, either one.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
by Nate Wilder on Jan 31, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
The more I read this the more I think he deserves more appreciation...
He gave us some decent news to read. He’s out there doing more than Huntington. Sale the team.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
I will only add this.
Per the article: ""Sanchez appeared to be fully healthy three weeks ago as he worked out at the team’s minicamp …"
Which leads me to believe that
1 It’s doubtful that it was a severe break, as the Pirates would probably not allow him to work out if he weren’t A-OK
2 IMO, Tony told them about it when he reported to mini-camp.
3 There’s SO much of this story that we don’t know, and to speculate on it may be fun, but doesn’t lead to any truths.
4 Leave the “character issues” out until more is learned. Slagging the guy is unwarranted.
5 Spring Training can’t get here soon enough for me.
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Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Per the article: ""Sanchez appeared to be fully healthy three weeks ago as he worked out at the team’s minicamp …"
Which leads me to believe that
6. The team hired a Sanchez double, a-la Howard Hughes?
Or [7]
.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jan 31, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
It was Bobby Valentine in disguise
by maguro on Jan 31, 2012 1:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Solution
Maybe Sanchez should wear his catcher’s mask 24-7.
Did he have Pitt the Elder or Lord Palmerston?
by ThisYearsModel on Jan 31, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Haha
Wade Boggs was a great baseball player but I think it’s interesting that he probably gets as much attention these days for his 64 (?) beers on a cross country flight urban legend as he does for his HOF career…
by KentuckyPirate on Jan 31, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Some call it “the greatest story ever told”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Gx8OmO9Rk
“It was a few Miller Lights”
You have your own Boonie?
He is also alleged to have once consumed 52 cans of beer on a flight from Sydney to London in 1989, in a story that is considered by some to be part of Australian sporting legend. This has never been confirmed by Boon however though Geoff Lawson did confirm it.
Keep in mind that is full strength beer, not that mid strength swill that you lot drink.
by BlindSquirrel on Jan 31, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
why is American beer like making love in a boat?
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jan 31, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Because
it’s fookin’ close to water.
I’ve told that one several times.
Like the one with the punch line, “Well, if YOU guys aren’t drinking beer …”
that said
A Sydney-London flight lasts something like the whole weekend, so Boon had more time than Boggs.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 1, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
64x 340mL beers @ ~3.5% alc/vol = 761.6 mL of alcohol
52x 375mL beers @ ~4.6% alc/vol = 897 mL of alcohol
21 hours from Sydney to London
roughly
by BlindSquirrel on Feb 1, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Not to nitpick
and this thread is nearly dead so I’m not sure you’ll see this but only the wimpiest of light beers has 3.5% alcohol. Miller Lite, for example (the beer Boggs claimed to drink) has 4.2%. Using this in your calculations gives Boggs 914 mL of alcohol…
by KentuckyPirate on Feb 1, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I did have to take a few guesses
I’m happy to call it a tie. ;)
either way, that’s a lot of beer.
by BlindSquirrel on Feb 2, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Shoter flight
= more alcohol consumed in less time, no?
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Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Feb 2, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
"shoRter" flight.
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Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Feb 2, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
50 Cent Said it Best...
“you shouldn’t throw stones if you live in a glass house. And if you gotta glass jaw, you better watch your mouth. Cuz I’ll break your face, have your ass running…”
A Pittsburgh Pirate fan.... in Idaho??? WTF?
He’s saying that 50 Cent beat up Tony Sanchez. I, for one, feel this rumor cannot be spread fast enough.
by Aphthakid on Jan 31, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
another reason
We should’ve traded for Chris Iannetta!
by FusilliJerry88 on Jan 31, 2012 12:44 PM EST reply actions
check out this Q & A with Tony
http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101215&content_id=16326324&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp
I’m seeing so many red flags and character issues. like how he got a 3.5 GPA in high school but marks 4.0 on things because that’s the weighted GPA. he’s probably a huge liar
So...
this affects me in what way? If he plays baseball well, I like him.
Pretty typical to use the weighted GPA when applying to schools
That’s why a lot of people take AP courses, ya know. Plenty of kids out there with GPAs above 4.0 these days.
That will be extremely important
After Bud passes that rule that runners can be thrown out if the catcher can write a superior essay on the ramifications of the Spanish-American War from a modern, feminist perspective.
Yeah, everybody puts down weighted GPA. That's standard.
Where do you see red flags and character issues? I see the opposite. For example, on how he spent his bonus money:
I paid my mom’s debt, bills that I mostly accumulated over the years. She drives an Infinity now, nothing too crazy, a nice little Mommy-mobile for her. My dad fixed his car, paid some bills. Everything else is in investments. But it’s nice to go to the mall and see shoes or jeans and be able to buy that and not have it hurt. That’s about it.
So he took care of his family first to repay them for all the debt they incurred providing for him. How does he come out looking bad there?
I thought Mingy was being sarcastic.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 1, 2012 7:22 AM EST up reply actions
Sanchez needs to lay the heck off these ...
by BuccoFan21 on Jan 31, 2012 7:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Think bigger
Than malted milkballs. Bigger and harder. And much longer-lasting.
by Midnight Moose on Feb 2, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
twss
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 2, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
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