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This just seems really surprising to me. I know Boras and Jackson were hoping for a big free agent contract but that doesn't seem to be in the cards. Still, E-Jax could probably land a 4/$40M deal. Maybe a great showing would set him up for a bigger deal next offseason, but that strikes me as a massive gamble especially since he'd be joining a pitching rich free agent class alongside Cain, Greinke, and Marcum, with Shields, Haren and Floyd all possibilities depending on their options. Maybe this is the time for the Pirates to jump in and offer him four guaranteed years with an option for a 5th...

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i dont understand this

the MLBTR article claims that the Red Sox offered him 1 year for 5-6M. I’d be calling the Boras office every hour right now…

by BurgherKing on Jan 31, 2012 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

i would assume it will take us more, but say 1yr/7-8M I would still be calling every hour lol

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by C Shint on Jan 31, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd go ahead and offer 12M for 1

That’s probably pushing it but, for just one year, why not?

by downandout on Jan 31, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

This sequence sounds like a Scott Boras version of an EBAY auction. Although that might not be far from the truth.

by Yung-Han on Jan 31, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a sucker so I will just buy now at $13m

by Mr. E on Feb 1, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t the seller’s rather unfavorable ratings/reviews worry you?

by King Oskar on Feb 1, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

your question is skewed...

apparently his “ratings” are not all that bad…or he would not have any product to sell and NO ONE would buy from him.

He does his job well…and that is what pisses us off.

by insane_sanity on Feb 1, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

An Analysis

Tim Williams offers an interesting analysis over on Pirates Prospects. He notes that it makes no sense to sign Jackson if the Pirates really are worse than last year (a buzz that’s apparent in the gloom of February). If they are a bit improved, that’s another matter.

Viva Clemente!

by Roberto on Feb 1, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I read that too

I will say, though, that I believe the team is better than last year (albeit not yet a contender) which is why I like going after Jackson. Tim also mentions that the Pirates only have one bullet in their gun and have to be sure the guy they use it on is the right one. I think Jackson fits that mold perfectly (and much better than JDLR with whom I’ve seen a Jackson signing compared). JDLR was 30 going into last season whereas Jackson will be 28 this year. Also JDLR’s IP totals for the four previous seasons were 121, 185, 130, 130. Jackson’s are 199, 209, 214, 183. Jackson is a workhorse and is younger. If you’re banking on a guy that will be able to make 30 starts every year of his deal, I’d much rather go with Jackson than JDLR (or almost anybody else the Pirates might be able to consider for that matter).

by KentuckyPirate on Feb 1, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe Jackson is just "meh"

granted, he would arguably be our best pitcher, but isnt he just “meh”??
even his no hitter was “meh”.

by white angus on Jan 31, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if Jackson is just meh

he’d still be worth $10M per year. He’s not good enough to land a huge FA deal. He’s not good enough to really be an ace (although he might be good enough to be a true #1). He’s also young and an innings eater. This is why I think this move makes sense for both sides. He’s good enough to be a #1 starter for the Pirates. The Pirates have the financial flexibility to give him a decent long-ish contract. They also have enough of a need to roll the dice on a guy who isn’t exactly a sure thing. Even if Boras and Jackson want a deal from a contender, I can’t imagine he’d take $5M from the Sox over $40M from the Bucs.

by KentuckyPirate on Jan 31, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, he is good enough to be our #1

but there has to be a reason why a guy so young yet experienced, with “stuff” even, cant get a long term deal.

maybe Boras is playing hardball a little too hard on this one. maybe jackson’s moving around so much in his past has teams leary. or maybe hes just “meh”.

for the record, i still think Jackson/Boras would choose the Sox over the Pirates millions.

by white angus on Jan 31, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

for the record, i still think Jackson/Boras would choose the Sox over the Pirates millions.

I don’t think so. With a 1 yr deal its not as if he is looking for his career contract with a team that is destined for playoffs. Reality is the Sox give him the better chance, but he can make more money signing with us and being dealt to a “true” contender come deadline time if he really wants to play for a championship.

My point is he isn’t stuck with us for more than 1 year. With us, he gets the publicity of being our number one guy, would stand to sign for more money, and has the chance of being dealt to a contender. I don’t see why he wouldn’t take the money and then some in this case.

Thats what she said! - Michael Gary Scott

by C Shint on Jan 31, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If I were Jackson, I’d rather face St. Louis, Milwaukee, Cincy, the Cubs, and Houston time after time instead of gutting out games against the Yankees, Rays, Blue Jays, and Orioles. I agree with Shint: If the money’s a wash, Boras will direct his client to Pittsburgh, hoping to pad stats and get a big money deal next year.

by SuperBaes on Jan 31, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

boras actually steering a client to us

by karreemofwheat on Jan 31, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The other option might be

that Boras steers him here, he performs well in a 1 year contract and then we flip him for some prospects to a contending team in July.

by lfhlaw on Feb 1, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson vs. De Le Rosa

It’s hard to know what to make of the Pirates off season on a number of levels, all of which have been discussed at length on this site. But if they were willing to offer Jorge De Le Rosa a three year deal last year (at what about 10 million a year if I remember correctly?). I can’t understand why they wouldn’t be pursuing Jackson for one year. Of course I also can’t understand why they wouldn’t have brought Maholm back for the salary he received from the Cubs.

by rj.reynolds on Jan 31, 2012 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

??

I was thinking the same thing. I’ve been trying to get a read on what NH has been thinking all off season and I still have no clue. I know alot of people feel NH does’nt need to answer to the fans, etc..I feel he needs to issue some sort of statement to the fans on why payroll is down from last year even though the team contended until the all star break…I would really like to know his reasoning for not pursueing a select number of players?

by FusilliJerry88 on Jan 31, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If the Pirates

are gonna land E-Jax it won’t be on a 1-year deal. For one year, he’d go to a contender like the BoSox. The only way the Pirates will get him is by being the team to step and give him a long term deal that is close to his demands (probably at least 4/40 since there are apparently multiple teams offering 3 years).

by KentuckyPirate on Jan 31, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

if thats the case

show him the extra year!

I’m fine with 4 years/ 40 million

by FusilliJerry88 on Jan 31, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson has said....

recently that he wants to pitch for a winner and a team that will give him a lot of run support. Any questions?


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by David Todd on Jan 31, 2012 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Link?

(Not that it particularly matters, I suppose ideally Jackson would want to pitch for a team that gave him a 100M, but some of us have to make do with what we can get)

by BurgherKing on Jan 31, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re saying we should show him Pujols’ numbers at PNC and tell him they’re Pedro’s?

by downandout on Jan 31, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw something

saying that Jackson ideally wants a longterm deal from a contender. That doesn’t seem to be in the cards this year which is apparently why he’s considering one year deals. As I said above, though, there is a huge risk in packing it in when you’re the best FA remaining and trying to re-enter the market next year with Cain, Greinke, Marcum, Shields, Floyd, Haren, Anibal Sanchez, Colby Lewis, and Brandon McCarthey. Not only will he have a lot of other players to compete with but just staying the course – 3.75 ERA, 7 K/9, 3 BB/9, 200 IP – won’t be enough to get the big raise he’s looking for. It would absolutely make him worth the contract and might make him an attractive trade piece if his team is struggling but it’s not going to get him the AJ Burnett money from a contender that Boras wanted.

by KentuckyPirate on Jan 31, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

Why can’t that ever be us??

by theatrain on Feb 1, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok ya I have a question

What pitcher doesnt want that? Even if a pitcher doesnt say it on the record im sure little leaguers say that as well.Great stuff as always David thanks for taking my question I see why u r highly regarded member of the media

by tbote123 on Feb 1, 2012 10:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Apparently

the Sox are out. I know that this doesn’t mean all contenders are out of the picture but I know the Orioles were in on it before with a 3 year deal. I am going to continue to beat this dead horse (until Jackson signs some inexplicable 3 year/$11M deal with the Nats or something ridiculous like that) but the Pirates should step up and offer him the 4 year deal that other teams apparently won’t. BAAAHHH!

by KentuckyPirate on Feb 1, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

There chances are slim but until he signs elsewhere its a possibilty were not talking sabathia so go be a davey downer elsewhere

by tbote123 on Feb 1, 2012 4:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Jackson

has been worth more than 10 mil per year the past few years. No reason the Pirates should’nt offer him 3/30 or 4/40..It’s a risk that we can afford..

by FusilliJerry88 on Jan 31, 2012 8:27 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

NH doesn’t need to issue a statement to the fans. . .but he should. The team looks worse now than it did in September: Marginal pitching, weak lineup, shakey fielding. How does this generate optimism from anyone as spring training approaches? Like most everyone else, I don’t understand the off-season moves at all. A deal for Jackson would go a long way towards reversing fan discontent, if the front office gives a damn about it. Failing that, NH does need to do some ’splainin.

by NY Jim on Feb 1, 2012 7:27 AM EST reply actions  

I disagree

that the team looks worse. The players the Pirates signed are all upgrades over what they lost (although you could make a case they are somewhat riskier). I’ve said this before but, to this point, the team is rolling the dice and saying that if the team is going to improve in 2012 it’s gonna be because the young guys progress and not because of any offseason pickups. I’d like Edwin Jackson at this point but I don’t necessarily believe he needs to do any ‘splainin’…

by KentuckyPirate on Feb 1, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

i actually disagree also. barmes is a better hitter AND definitely better defensively than Cedeno, he’ll be more consistent and not make those mental errors cedeno is well-known for. barajas is better defensively than doumit and maybe even better than a fully healthy snyder behind the plate. barajas is extremely underrated when it comes to hitting abilities of catchers. albeit, not for average, but for much needed power the pirates need. barajas was 4th in the NL amongst catchers in home runs this past season and he was 3rd in the NL in 2010 amongst catchers for home runs in 2010. to give ya a perspective on this, joe mauer, who is probably the best hitting catcher in the bigs next to brian mccann, has only hit double digit HRs two times in hiseight year career. barajas on the other hand has hit double digit amount of home runs SEVEN OF THE LAST EIGHT SEASONS!!! take that how you want, but people have been ripping on the acquisition left and right of barajas just because of his age, but i see nothing wrong with the pirates signing the best free agent catcher on the market that was available

by rinsana11 on Feb 1, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if Barmes is equal to Cedeno in hitting

I still like his defensive game much better than Cedeno…who just seems to go somewhere else during the games sometimes.

It can also possibly help Walker turn some Double plays more routinely I would think.

I guess the only thing you have to worry about is injuries and who the back up will be.

by lfhlaw on Feb 1, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

the pitching part also, they only replaced maholm with bedard. and when healthy, bedard is HANDS DOWN a better pitcher than maholm and can generate more strikeouts that we are used to see from lefites over the years like duke and maholm. rest of the rotation will be the same as last year and i dont consider that rotation being margina. considering the fact up until like mid august they were one of the better rotations in the entire MLB. you have the remember what people were predicting at the beginning of the year for the rotation, for it to be the absolute WORST in the mlb by a longshot. they exceeded those expectations by far!! and at the all star break i remember that they had a better team ERA that the almighty phillies rotation too

by rinsana11 on Feb 1, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

The issue is that Karstens is expected to regress in ERA for pretty easy to see reasons, (low K rate, not amazing defense behind him)

and Bedard isn’t expected to stay healthy by most people, so our pitching staff is expected to be worse because of expected arm attrition. Karstens performs to his peripherals, Bedard gives us 100 really good innings then goes down, and we lose one other starter randomly to injury like we lost Ohlendorf and how do you think the Pirates pitchers will perform? It’s a scary situation on the mound unless we catch a decent bit of breaks, and I don’t like counting on catching breaks.

by Justin Mos on Feb 1, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

For one thing

Karstens’ peripherals only suggest his ERA will drop to about 4 which isn’t going to be team killing.

While it’s true that the Pirates seem to be short on the necessary number of innings from a major league caliber pitcher I don’t think it’s accurate to say that problem is any worse than last season. The only switch that was made was Maholm’s 180 IP for Bedard’s 100 IP but there is also more reason to believe that Morton, Karstens and J-Mac can pitch full seasons and actually pitch more innings than last year because they were able to stretch their arms out (questions about Morton’s hip notwithstanding). So while it’s true that the inning totals is a concern this year, it is not accurate to say that it is a bigger concern than last year IMO. Having said that, I would feel much better going into the season with E-Jax, Bedard, Morton, J-Mac and Karstens in the rotation…

by KentuckyPirate on Feb 1, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

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