Biggest Pirates Sleeper Candidates of 2012
I tend to ask everyone and their mother this heading into or around Spring Training every year, and now that I'm a part of BucsDugout I figure I can get even more opinions, not to mention they'll probably be more intelligent as well.
I'll break this up into Pitching and Position, neglecting the minors for now. The order I list them doesn't necessarily suggest who I think has a better chance either.
Pitching:
There are a few obvious things that can happen with the pitching situation. Erik Bedard could live up to his potential and be lights out, or his arm could fall off mid-seson as well. James McDonald and Charlie Morton could make huge strides forward and tap into their potential. Jeff Karstens could also make or break the rotation. Here a few less discussed players:
1.) Kevin Correia:
I kind of feel dirty for suggesting this, but the guy was more than solid on the road, and full knowing that he'll be heading into free agency at the end of the season I wouldn't doubt a turn around at home. He could very well step up as the Bucs will probably depend on him for quite a few innings. I've half-jokingly suggested before that Hurdle should sit him during home games and give a lefty his home starts to benefit from PNC, though that won't happen anywhere but my day dreams.
2.) Jo-Jo Reyes:
Ray Searage appears to be a miracle worker, and Reyes is young with some decent peripherals and a solid history in the minors. Worst case scenario he could be an effective lefty out of the pen.
3.) Chris Leroux:
Leroux's been discussed a good bit as to whether or not he'll get some starts or work out of the pen and how he no longer has any remaining options. He fared well in a small sample size in the bigs last season after some rough stints between AA and AAA. The brass seems pretty mum on the possibility of him starting, but he could be called on if situations get desperate. It'd be better than seeing another Aaron Thompson out there.
4.) Brad Lincoln:
It seems like forever ago that some fans were looking forward to Lincoln's debut. The guy has solid stuff and could be called on to be a dependable fifth starter, but it would be nice to see more. I'd love to see him turn it on, and I think he's still got the ability to do so, though the clock's running out on him.
5.) Shairon Martis:
Martis was pretty impressive for the Nats for awhile in '09 and he's still incredibly young at 24. He's got the stuff, but does he have the work ethic? His weight has presented struggles for him before, but if he could perform well he could very well work his way into a rotation that's far from concrete.
Position Players:
Once again I'll avoid the more obvious situations. We all know that Pedro needs to perform for the Bucs to be successful in 2012 and beyond. Alex Presley is also expected to play a big part in the face of the offense so I'll try to stay away from those guys.
1.) Garrett Jones
Garrett's had a bit of a fall from grace. He was once thought to be the next power hitter in a Pirates uniform, but at this point in time appears to just be lightning in a bottle or streaky at best. To his defense, he's bounced back and forth between outfield and first base, and seems to be fighting his own mentality at times. If Jones can come into the season prepared to play first and get off to a good start at the plate he could catch fire and reclaim the nick name "legend" once more. I believe he realizes he's on a short leash, after openly admitting to being nervous at the non-tender deadline. I wouldn't count him out just yet.
2.) Casey McGehee:
McGehee was a solid pickup by NH and he had impressive 2009 and 2010 campaigns, but became disposable to the Brewers after a glum 2011. If Mcgehee and turn it back on this year he could very well steal the first base job from under GFJ or third from Pedro if that situation is morbid again. McGehee has some great pop and everyone in the greater Pittsburgh area and then some knows the Pirates are starving for right handed power, or any power. If he turns it on McGehee could be fun to watch, plus hes a chubby guy and well, I always root for the chubby guy.
3.) Jose Tabata:
2011 was sizing up to be the year of Jose. He came into camp stronger, looking to add a little more pop to his swing, and after an impressive rookie debut in 2010 things were looking up, but those hopes fizzled rather quickly as Jose couldn't seem to avoid nagging injuries. Jose still looks strong, and with a new training staff he'll hopefully last the full season. I wouldn't expect him to start launching bombs per-say, but adding some more extra-base power isn't out of the question. If all pans out correctly, Tabata and Presley could be a force at the top of the lineup.
4.) Michael McKenry:
What? You don't have Fort Fever? Lies. It's hard not to root for McKenry. The guy has a strong work ethic, is young, has impressive minor league numbers, and Pittsburgh loves him. McKenry is nearly a shoe-in for the back up catcher job, and should expect to see some significant time if he does so as Barajas doesn't project to be catching many more than 100 games. In an organization short on catching, McKenry could provide a real boost for now and the short-term future if those hitting sessions with Clint Hurdle pay off.
5.) Neil Walker:
Another guy who Pittsburgh loves, Walker appears to be the unofficial team captain. This is a fortunate situation for the Pirates to have as since Walker took off in 2010 he's taken some pressure off McCutchen as the face of the franchise, and seems to be happy to do so. Neil isn't your prototypical second baseman, but proved he could handle it with ease last season, being nominated for a Golden Glove. Neil also doesn't size up well as a clean-up hitter, but indications are he could very well start the season hitting fourth since no other real options exist yet. If neil can build on two solid back-to-back seasons he could prove to be extremely valuable going forward. I don't expect a huge jump, but seeing him get closer to 20 HR's with a jump in average and slugging would be refreshing.
The cold, hard truth is that the NL Central is changing and the Pirates have an outside shot of competing, though everything must go right for that to happen. If even one or two of those guys listed above turn it up a notch, it could prove to be a boost to a team that deserves a few breaks...about 20 years worth.
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"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
I'm confused.
Are we supposed to pick, from your suggestions, who we think will be the pitching/hitting sleepers, for 2012? Or, is this an opinion piece, only?
by Midnight Moose on Feb 1, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
It's opinion, sorry about that.
By all means though, feel free to leave your feedback. I’m open to anything. I just wanted to put a few less talked about guys out there.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
I agree
that a breakout from these guys could go a long way in bolstering the team’s future. If I were to pick a couple that I think are the best “breakout candidates” I’m going with Lincoln and Tabata. IMO, Lincoln has been knocking on the door for a while now without absolutely pounding on the door. His MiLB peripherals are strong and he’s got OK stamina. I don’t think he’ll ever become a stud but I think he can be a legit number 3 if he’s given the opportunity. Tabata has been a .300 hitter at every level and he improved his BB% last year. With his speed, he strikes me as a guy that can be a very good leadoff hitter.
by KentuckyPirate on Feb 1, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
fort has an option
morales does not. plus as wtm has stated, he has an out clause. we saw last year how we need depth at catcher. remember the pagnozzi waiver claim? fort starts the year in indy. IMO.
Didn't realize Morales had an out clause.
I believe he’s a switch hitter too which may help him stick. Good point.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
which may play into why they let jj go
idk morales was a switch hitter. a modest upgrade in back up catcher, catcher and shortstop. i’m liking our chances better daily. i know we just replaced guys. i don’t think neil is done. he cobbled a bp together, twice, howbout a sp?
by karreemofwheat on Feb 1, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
I like the post as well!
as for the Pitchers I think both Leroux and Lincoln could have break out years. Leroux won’t get any starts, and should’nt but I expect to see him being used in high leverage (8th inning) situations by the end of the year. As for Lincoln I think he starts to show everyone why he was a 1st round pick and he becomes a solid #3-4 guy instead of a #5 guy.
Leroux's an intriguing guy.
I don’t think he’ll get any starts really with the exception of maybe an emergency spot start, but I believe they’ll stretch him out a bit in ST.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
I hope they don't try and stretch him out
His stuff is pretty nasty and I think hes most valuable and affective in only an inning or two. Stretching him out more than that I think he becomes less intriguing, because his control becomes more of an issue. I think he got away with being “affectively wild” last year with short outings…
by FusilliJerry88 on Feb 1, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a link to a story on the Pirates site about the rotation...
It implies Leroux might be considered.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
My understanding is
The Pirates changed Leroux’s arm slot, in the middle of last season, while he was in Altoona. Which really helped him. And they stretched him out in the DWL, to help reinforce his arm-slot change, and to enable him to incorporate his secondary pitches into his new 3/4 arm slot.
So, i wouldn’t read too much into Leroux’s 5 DWL starts. To my knowledge, Huntington has no plans to convert Leroux into a SP.
by Midnight Moose on Feb 1, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Good Call.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
Haha I don't know about all that now.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
I’m going to vote Rudy Owens but not right out of the gate. He will get some seasoning at AAA and pitch well again and fill in for someone (injury or poor performance or trade).
As for hitters I am going to go with McGehee. I just think he will rebound and play first base for us.
I might put up another one about the minors.
I originally intended to include those guys, but this post would’ve been way too long.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
I'm going to throw a name out there...
Jeff Clement
i'll remember
heres to hoping you knock it out of the park again, fj.
by karreemofwheat on Feb 1, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a closet Clement fan.
The guy has such raw power. If he could get his average and obp up he’d be a HUGE boost to the offense.
He didn’t look to terrible handling first either.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
I think Jones already had his break out year in 2009, and it would be asking too much to expect much more out of him. I do like McKenry as a pick though. He wasn’t good offensively last year, but still seemed to do better than everyone expected him to after a couple months of regular play. I’m hoping he finds someway to keep improving.
But I’d put money down on Brad Lincoln being our breakout guy this year. He’ll find someway into our rotation (won’t be too difficult), and start finally putting things together. I’m also hoping that Meek gets back into the same form he was in in 2010.
In the Minors, I’d pick Mel Rojas Jr. to finally show up and make an impression on everyone.
+1 on Lincoln
I also think Jones can provide good value as long as they keep him away from lefties. Having a competent platoon partner should help him.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 1, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. We've seen Jones' ceiling for the most part.
I’d like to see him be more consistent though. That’s a break out enough for me.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
Tabata
I still think Tabata has huge potential. I’m not sure it will happen this year (or ever), but he seems to me like he’s just a few adjustments away from .300/.375/.430. For right now, I’m just hoping he can stay healthy enough to get 600 PA.
I think he had a rough season.
He seems like a real gamer, and the clubhouse is a lot livelier with him around it appears. A lot of people are quick to write him off as a future bench player, but I think he’s too good for that. I do think the statline you listed isn’t too outrageous either. Definitely attainable.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
if anyone thinks Tabata is a future bench player, they are selling his skillset short, IMO
fans are obsessed with his lack of power simply because hes a corner outfielder. if healthy, he could do some serious damage from the leadoff spot with his contact abilities and his speed.
IMHO, tabata is the best “hitter” this franchise has at the moment.
Quick, good defense in a corner spot with a little power?
Sounds an awful lot like Brett Gardner of the Yankees who is a great player but underrated b/c of his lack of power. I am a big Tabata fan, hope he lives up to his talent this year and stays healthy.
i’ve always thought he will develop power though, he hits the ball all over the field and actually seems to like going the other way quite a bit. I’m predicting 5 oppo field home runs for Joey Tabs this year
Tabata has excellent raw power, especially to the opposite field. The problem is that he hits the ball on the ground too much. I’m not sure that’s ever going to change, but one of the adjustments I think he needs to make is to stay back on the ball more and hit the opposite way consistently. He can hit .300 with a ton of doubles with that approach. When he pulls the ball, it tends to be on the ground.
The Pirates brass have set themselves up.
There’s going to be a really good problem in the outfield a year or so. A very good problem.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
He could still turn into a fourth outfielder. I see some Lastings Milledge in him. His defense is okay right now, but he looks a little lost at times out there, and with his body he could lose some speed. If he never develops power, he might remain an average hitter forever, and if his baserunning and defense take a bit of a hit he’s probably not a starting-caliber OF.
Of course, as I mentioned previously, the flip side is that he also still has a pretty high upside.
I see it too at times.
I think the move to RF might help him out since he has less ground to cover. Just hope he can read the ball better than Lastings.
The speed thing scares me, especially with the nagging quad injury last season. You take his speed away and he becomes really average really fast.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
Brad Lincoln and Pedro Alvarez
just bet some guy at work that Pedro is hitting over 20 dingers.
Brad Lincoln – last year 3.03 FIP in over 110 AAA innings and then 4.03 xFIP in about 60 ML innings – IMO he should DEFINITELY be in the starting rotation at the start of the year.
I think Pedro will at least become a Carlos Pena type over the next few years. I honestly elieve that’s his floor.
As for Lincoln, I doubt he’ll make the rotation out of ST. Kevin Correia is blocking him. (That’s weird to say.)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
don't need a fifth starter much at the beginning of the season
That might mean that even if Morton takes a little while to come back, they won’t need Lincoln. I hope it means that if Morton isn’t ready they put Lincoln in and use Correia as the fifth starter, then move KC to swingman when Morton comes back.
Of course what we really mean is that Lincoln is blocked by EJax.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 2, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
we can all hope that KC moves to swingman in that scenario, I just dont see it happening.
he pitches in the rotation until he gets traded or released. i dont see him as a swingman, even though hes done it before apparently.
I don’t know if Resop counts as a sleeper, but I think he could do a really good job in the closer’s role if Joel is injured or traded. I prefer him to Meek. Jo-Jo is another sleeper, if the Pirates use him exclusively out of the bullpen.
If Resop could learn not to rely so much on the fastball when he really doesn't need to he can do it.
Though as a closer that doesn’t matter as much. I think Meek and Resop are more similar than different. Meek won’t ever be an all-star again, but I do expect a bounceback. If he doesn’t have his velocity back again this year I’ll worry.
As for Jo-Jo I really think there’s a lot left in the guy. Wouldn’t mind seeing him spot start a few times, but I’d put money on him being the main lefty in the pen.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
I'm going to say Alex Presley...
14 HR, 22 SB, .290 hitter.
I'll say the entire OF
By September, it won’t just be Cutch, but our entire OF regarded as top 3-5 in the league.
+1
i’ve been typing up a storm about this all offseason. We have the Tabata Cutch Presley OF for about 2 games total last year. I’m super excited about the numbers they can put up fully healthy and continuing to improve into their prime years.
Our OF defense has GOT to be top 3 in MLB
I'm not that excited about Presley
low K-rate and AVG are nice, but he needs to start walking more or he won’t be a major contributor. I think best case scenario for the Pirates is that he keeps the AVG and the doubles coming, and develops as a defender, thus being a valuable 4th outfielder. If Tabata sees some development and Marte improves his BB rate (including in the majors), I could see the Bucs outfield in 2013 being considered a top rate group. And oh my gosh the defense would be good.
Redeemed.
I'm relatively excited about Presley
all he’s done is mash all the freaking time. Bill James likes him to OPS over 800 with ~ .350 OBP. That’ll do!
Fangraphs somehow has his defense and baserunning as negative, that does not pass the eye test with me. Maybe that fly out that turned into a grand slam because it donked off of his glove crushed his value in one horrible afternoon.
To me – Presley seems to be above average in the field. He does remind me of younger Nate Mclouth in that he seems fluid and disciplined in routes and on base paths while not overly fast or toolsy. that’s not a bad thing though, you guys
In any case – he still put up 1.2 WAR in less than 1/3 of a season. That times 3 would be incrediballs
14 HR's? That's rather generous.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
Not sure I see what you're seeing in Reyes.
Specifically, the “decent peripherals” or the “solid history in the minors”. Can you elaborate?
"Solid" probably wasn't the best word to use.
He’s not throwing junk by any means, and has had success in the minors. He’s more of bad luck than he is a bad pitcher.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
My biggest sleeper candidate would be John Russell
but hes gone now… i think. I cant tell really.
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