Sources: #Pirates 1 of 4 teams on Burnett; 1 team, tho, is on his no-trade list. #Yankees view...

Yankees view Pirates as partner making "most sense."

can be translated as-The Pirates are the only team willing to pay as much as 10 mil of Burnett’s contract.

by Enchinga on Feb 11, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

you can forget about Burnett now

by BadAndy on Feb 11, 2012 2:26 PM EST reply actions

Kinda worries me. If this falls through, can we stop the idea that this was a great offseason?

by Wizard of Woz on Feb 11, 2012 2:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions

I’d sure like to see the argument that this has been a great off-season so far. Then we could move from there to showing how Greece has a great economy.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 11, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Wait a minute...Greece dosen't have a great economy?

Someone has been feeding me false infomation then.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 11, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, all that money you invested in Feta futures is gone.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 11, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

The drachma might not be a bad bet, though.

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 11, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions

Its coming back, in some way shape or form.

Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?

http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained

by Kosstic518 on Feb 11, 2012 6:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

greek yogurt will save their economy

seriously. have you guys tried it? it rules

by Mingy on Feb 11, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions

great off season??

Where/Who has ever suggested it has been a great off season? It has been anything but a good offseason let alone a great one…

by FusilliJerry88 on Feb 11, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions

When did we START that idea?

by Aphthakid on Feb 11, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions

Wat

A trade for Burnett would merely make this a less bad offseason.

www.stealingfirstbase.com

by Nate Rose on Feb 11, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions

exactly...

It would allow us to go into Spring training with some hope for the next 8 months

by phyler on Feb 11, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions

Yes, hope for 77 wins.

by bolton on Feb 11, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions

that he will be traded to the Bucs. Truth be told, as much as I would like this trade to happen, I really like the idea posted in the other thread. Getting Lannan/Laroche wouldn’t be too bad either. Even if the trade with the Yanks doesn’t go down. But trading with Washington would definitely allow the Bucs to move Jones.

by Enchinga on Feb 11, 2012 2:35 PM EST reply actions

well, i wish something would happen

i m tired of following this!

by BurgherKing on Feb 11, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions

Good to great offseason

Really it all hinges on Bedard. Most every other move… Barmes, Barajas were slight improvements or lateral moves. Bedard has a chance to be a difference maker and if he is then it was good offseason. If the players we have improve… Tabata 100% healthy, Pedro comes in in good shape, then it is a great offseason. Everyone knew the greatest improvements for this season were going to have to come from our young guys within. If the Bucs can get AJ Burnett and have a 1-2 with he and Bedard I think it is a great offseason

by sidbreamslegs on Feb 11, 2012 3:15 PM EST reply actions

or at least a very good one

by white angus on Feb 11, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions

I posted this at the end of the last thread.

I can’t help thinking that NH has a chance to give up GFJ and a couple of middling to decent prospects for AJ Burnett, John Lannan and Adam LaRoche for roughly the $10m extra salary that they were prepared to spend on E-Jax in 2012.

Jones for Burnett should be a straight swap while LaRoche and Lannan could be traded for a couple of C+/C type prospects that the Pirates scouts don’t like (Bryan Morris/Rudy Owens?). I think the Nats are keen to trim their payroll and have Morse play 1B so Harper can start in LF..

by RDV across the sea on Feb 11, 2012 3:42 PM EST reply actions

I won't buy a single ticket if LaRoche comes back,

I hate his face. His stupid, idiot face.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver

by Nate Wilder on Feb 11, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions

I hate his face. His stupid, idiot face

Yeah and he smells and has cooties, yuck!!!!

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by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 11, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions

i just hate his 5 for 57 month of april

by georgesar on Feb 11, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 11, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions

You mess with the bull you get the horns, my friend.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver

by Nate Wilder on Feb 11, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions

Sidenote:

I realize full well that’s a buck, not a bull.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver

by Nate Wilder on Feb 11, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions

DUDE....

Next time, PLEASE put something in the subject line so that can be minimized. You are frightening the horses.

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Then the above becomes

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Free your ass and your mind will follow.

Follow @cocktailsfor2

by cocktailsfor2 on Feb 11, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions

You are frightening the horses.

Pretty sure that was the goal.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Feb 12, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions

I like adding Burnett

but I don’t really care about the Lannan/LaRoche part. I don’t think he’s an upgrde over Karstens as the 5th starter. LaRoche is coming off an injury and is a middle of the road guy anyway. I want Burnett, Soler and Brandon Allen/Clint Robinson then call it an offseason.

by KentuckyPirate on Feb 11, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions

Replacement for Karstens?

I think Burnett and Lannan would oust Corriea and which ever Bucco SP was struggling either through injury or poor early season performance. Morton,Beddard (injury), Karstens, JMac (performance).

by RDV across the sea on Feb 11, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions

So you think somebody should get replaced in April?

If they get Burnett, the opening day rotation is Burnett, Bedard, J-Mac, Morton, Karstens. Lannan’s best attribute is that he’s an innings eater which means less as an injury replacement. I also don’t want J-Mac(for example) bumped to the pen because he makes two bad starts. Since Lannan is not better than our 5th best starter (Karstens) he’d strictly be a depth option. In that role, I’m not convinced he’s more valuable than Coreia, Lincoln, Locke, Owens, McPherson…

by KentuckyPirate on Feb 11, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions

Is Morton going to be ready to start the season?

I think Burnett for two years plus Lannan with an arb year to follow would really help the Pirates over the next couple of years,

My potential trade scenario would see an April rotation of Bedard, Burnett, J-Mac, Lannan, Karstens with Morton/Corriea and the best AAA starter(s) playing for a roster spot in May.

LaRoche for Jones for me is a push if the salaries could be neutralised through trades.

I think these kind of moves would give the Bucs a real chance of breaking .500 this season without harming the future. It’s time for the scouting system to be a little bit savvy and offer up a couple of ‘Alderson’ type prospects.

by RDV across the sea on Feb 11, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions

Morton

stil insists he’ll be ready by opening day and even if he’s not the schedule lines up so we don’t really need a 5th more than once or twice in April. Either way, my point is that I view Lannan as the equal of Lincoln andCoreia. Since we aleady have two of those guys, I don’t see the need for a 3rd.

by KentuckyPirate on Feb 11, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions

I love your posts KentuckyPirate.

But I think you are underestimating the importance of starting pitching depth.

by RDV across the sea on Feb 11, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions

Thanks, I appreciate that

It’s not that I don’t see any value in Lannan. To be honest, I went and looked over his stats again and it is amazing how he always manages to outpitch his rate stats. I almost talked myself into it because he a guy with 180 inning potential who can put up an ERA around 4.00 and he’s only 27. In fact, can we really hope for any more than that out of Karstens? Ugh, I really might have just talked myself into this. OK, I wouldn’t mind Burnett and Lannan if he came cheap. I still want no part of Adam LaRoche. Allen or Robinson would be far more interesting.

by KentuckyPirate on Feb 11, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions

Lannan

Got $5 mm this year. The Pirates will not have him next year even if they make the trade, as Neal’s not going to pay $8-9 mm next year for Lannan.

by God Loves on Feb 11, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions

But they could flip him for value at the trade deadline or in the off season...

and let the Phils or Giants use his dour consistency next season to replace Hamels/Cain.

by RDV across the sea on Feb 11, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions

If the Nats are having trouble flipping him for value now, why would we do any better next offseason, when he’ll be even more expensive?

by Vlad on Feb 11, 2012 7:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

So this year he costs $5m and next year it’s $6-$8m depending on how he performs.

He’s still cheaper than Maholm’s option for 2012 with arguably better performance.

Would you like to see Burnett and Lannan instead of Corriea and the injured or under performing pitcher in the rotation this season?

by RDV across the sea on Feb 11, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions

I don’t see a reasonable argument that puts Lannan ahead of Maholm going forward, particularly on a one-year time frame, unless you’re assuming an arm injury for Maholm. I also note that you didn’t answer my question about why Lannan would be tradable for value next offseason. Do you care to address that, or do you concede the point?

There’s no reason to consider Burnett and Lannan as a unit, since the two moves aren’t linked. I think there’s enough of a chance for a rebound from Burnett that he’s worth acquiring at a certain price. I don’t think Lannan is particularly likely to deliver $5M worth of performance, and I think that if we acquire him with an eye toward making him a part of the rotation, he’s going to be the underperforming player in the rotation. His skill set is better suited for the pen.

Correia should be irrelevant in an abstract consideration of theoretical value since there are already five starters better than him on the roster, and if we look at things from the front office’s actual POV, they aren’t going to want to acknowledge that Correia is a sunk cost just yet (which trading for a mediocrity like Lannan with an eye toward moving Correia out of the rotation would implicitly do).

by Vlad on Feb 11, 2012 8:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

I should have made the point that Lannan could also be non-tendered for next season.

So the the total outlay on him would be capped potentially at $5m.

But I’m not going to argue with you Vlad. You hated the Correia and Overbay signings last year and apart from some spectacular early season road performances from KC you were right.

by RDV across the sea on Feb 13, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions

I don’t want Lannan. $5M is too much for a guy who can’t throw strikes to RHB without them getting crushed.

by Vlad on Feb 11, 2012 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

my opinion on Lannan

is i’d rather use the MLB ready Brad Lincoln FO FREE

by Mingy on Feb 11, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions

so who are the 4 teams in on aj?

pitt, baltimore. kc, san diego.

by karreemofwheat on Feb 11, 2012 4:05 PM EST reply actions

I would bet that it is Pittsburgh, Chicago white sox, Baltimore and San Diego or Oakland.

by sidbreamslegs on Feb 11, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions

The west coast team is on the no trade list. Baltimore is in the division so that usually makes it harder to get a deal done. Chicago has been linked to getting Burnett and then trading Floyd for prospects. That could be the wild card and why if Im NH I just go ahead and get the deal done. Otherwise the next thing you are going to hear is the White Sox asking for a couple of B prospects for Gavin Floyd

by sidbreamslegs on Feb 11, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions

I'd give up McPherson and Lincoln for Floyd

take it or leave it Kenny

by BadAndy on Feb 11, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions

My guess would be that the other three teams don't really exist

Or aren’t that serious about it, anyway. Seems like a ploy by the Yankees to maintain some kind of leverage.

by maguro on Feb 11, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions

There’s always a mystery team, even for pitchers with 5+ ERAs.

by bolton on Feb 11, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, but it’s often in Japan, and limo rides from Baltimore to there are awfully expensive.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 11, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions

how long ya figure one of those duck boats would take from Baltimore to Tokyo.

by karreemofwheat on Feb 11, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions

so they are saying on pinstripe alley the brewers are one of the teams.

one of the teams is on the no trade list. san diego or oakland
baltimore is in division.

we are the odds on favorite;

https://twitter.com/#!/BloggingBombers/status/168439587226648576

by karreemofwheat on Feb 11, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions

take 2

https://twitter.com/#!/BloggingBombers/status/168439587226648576

by karreemofwheat on Feb 11, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions

here you go

Link

by BurgherKing on Feb 11, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions

hat tip BK

by karreemofwheat on Feb 11, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions

Baltimore traded Guthrie.

Seems like they have reason to trade for AJ.

by RDV across the sea on Feb 11, 2012 4:25 PM EST reply actions

They traded Guthrie for another starting pitcher, though

by maguro on Feb 11, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions

and would they trade Guthrie and then try to get Burnett?

Seems like they could just keep Guthrie.

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 11, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions

I'd rather have Hammel than AJ or Guthrie myself...

by maguro on Feb 11, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions

thats the first time thats ever been said out loud...

… ever.

by white angus on Feb 11, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions

You were supposed to say

That’s What She Said.

by maguro on Feb 11, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions

I

saw LaRoche posted on this thread and just threw up in my mouth. I don’t think I can take another season of LaRoche.. Please no!

by JSteelers86 on Feb 11, 2012 5:14 PM EST reply actions

can anyone here photoshop Laroche's face

and put him in the scarecrow outfit from the wizard of oz? I’m tellin ya it’s him!

by georgesar on Feb 11, 2012 5:31 PM EST reply actions

NO LA ROCHE NO LA ROCHE

PLEASE NO LA ROCHE

by bmcferren on Feb 11, 2012 7:58 PM EST reply actions

I had a thought to share about LaRoche

But I think I’ll wait until June to be all that productive. He’d want it that way.

by Jitterbug on Feb 11, 2012 11:23 PM EST reply actions

it shouldn't come as a surprise.......

…………….that other teams have joined the party here. The more $$ the Yankees eat the more viable an option Burnett becomes to other teams. In a league where pitching is at a premium Burnett becomes a very interesting player as the cost for his services become more palatablle. The Pirates need to get this right for the fans who pay $$ and want to see this team moving forward and, to show the league they are in fact serious about fielding at least a competitive MLB team now, etc…..If they let another team swoop in and lose Burnett for something like 2 mil over two years I’m gonna puke!!

by Marooned Pirate on Feb 12, 2012 7:40 AM EST reply actions

Is AJ Burnett a Pirate yet?

by BadAndy on Feb 12, 2012 7:44 AM EST reply actions

not yet

nutting is to cheap to give up a bag of balls. Sale the team!!!!!

I hope they don’t blow this deal.

by karreemofwheat on Feb 12, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions

Since its Sunday and

we still don’t have a deal, I wonder, WWDLD* in this situation?

WWDLD = What would Dave Littlefield do?

Welcome to the new dark ages.....

by Trogluddite on Feb 12, 2012 8:19 AM EST reply actions 1 recs

my opening bid

He’d ask for Manny Banuelos as part of the deal, and when he couldn’t get him he’d send over Gorkys Hernandez while taking on $24m of the contract.

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 12, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions

assume 24 million

and petey alvarez. gets a journeyman aaa catcher with a history of concussions. throw in a 3rd base coach from scranton who only knows the windmill.

by karreemofwheat on Feb 12, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions

Whoever are best Rule-5 eligible player is...

he would leave him off the roster.

Welcome to the new dark ages.....

by Trogluddite on Feb 12, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions

Pirates

Are being patient. No reason not to, they are bidding against themselves. I don’t think anyone else is will to give up the $$’s the Pirates are and the Yankees are looking for salary relief. Even if there are 3 other teams interested.

We may be anxious, but Neal’s job is to figure out when to hold em, fold em, or jump on the opportunity.

by God Loves on Feb 12, 2012 8:51 AM EST reply actions

how do you know they're bidding against themselves???

you don’t have a gazillion losing seasons in a row by accident…….to assume we’re the only team on Burnett is a mistake IMO. That said, I hope you’re right!!

by Marooned Pirate on Feb 12, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions