"He is getting ready to go to spring training, whether it’s with the Yankees, Pittsburgh or anyone else," [A.J. Burnett's agent] Darek Braunecker said in a brief phone interview. "A.J. understands this is a business and will do what he has to do. He’s healthy and he’s looking forward to pitching for somebody."
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I think the people worried about him being a headcase should rest assured.
I think he’ll be fine here, plus Clint thrives on guys like this.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
I posted this in the last thread, but I think it's important to remember here:
In his career, A.J. Burnett has been caught by Rod Barajas in 25 games and 163 innings. The Barajas/Burnett battery—used a lot by Toronto in 2008—produced a 3.49 ERA and .693 opposing OPS. Burnett’s total ERA that year was over a half run greater than when he exclusively threw to Barajas.
There’s no reason not to think they’d work reasonably well together.
No jinx no jinx no jinx.
Anyone think he will do better in
the NL Central? Not because its easier, but because mot of the batters haven’t seen him – he’s spent his whole (baseball) life in the AL East; there might be some guys who can tell what pitch is coming blindfolded.
Welcome to the new dark ages.....
No, I think it would be because it’s easier to face a lineup with eight batters.
by bolton on Feb 12, 2012 6:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, that too...
…and getting more starts against the Cubs and Astros rather than against Boston and Toronto. Maybe a few more balls stay in PNC than stay in Yankee stadium. But again, I would think that the batter benefits more in repeating the “pitcher v. batter” match-up than the pitcher does. Just like long at-bats, where the batter fouls everything off, he learns more about the pitcher. So, maybe AJ also gets a little extra benefit (= to a decrease in ERA of, say, 0.30 points) from pitching to guys who have rarely seen him before.
Welcome to the new dark ages.....
We need a bigger bump than 0.30 on the ERA
otherwise, his 2010-11 numbers would still have the highest ERA in the rotation.
Also, not to nitpick, but A.J. pitched 7 seasons in the NL. Regardless of where he pitches, he needs to limit his walks. He’s thrown at least 3.5 per 9 innings in every season since 2006.
by bolton on Feb 12, 2012 6:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think he does..
this does’nt mean I want NH to overpay for Burnett, but with that being said I think out of all the pitchers we’ve been lobbying for or connected with rumors (Jackson, Maholm, Oswalt, etc) Burnett will be the most productice pitcher. Obvisouly barring some sort of serious attitude or motivational issues that some are suggesting….
by FusilliJerry88 on Feb 12, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not against trading for Burnett, but that’s really optimistic. I would take Jackson or Oswalt in a heartbeat. Let’s not forget that Burnett is 35 years old and was bad at 33 and 34. He walks too many batters, allows too many home runs and threw 25 wild pitches last season (If Wakefield retires then A.J. is the active leader in MLB). He still has good stuff, so he’s worth a flier. I expect nothing and hope for the best.
eh
i think Jackson and Burnett have very similar seasons so Burnett @ 5-6 mil > Jackson @ 11 mil. As far as Oswalt is concerned; I don’t think he pitches 100 innings this year..
by FusilliJerry88 on Feb 12, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
with albert and prince gone, and cryin ryan out 50 games
i think that most pitchers will do better against the NLC this year. Only the red’s have a moderatly scary lineup IMO
anyone else?
really surprised that the Pirates were’nt on Burnetts no trade clause?
No.
I would bet that they’re all West Coast teams. He likes to be close to his wife in Baltimore.
You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu
by IAPiratesFan on Feb 12, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmmm.....I agree
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by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 12, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa.
Does she have a nice face?
You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu
by IAPiratesFan on Feb 12, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
wouldn't kick her out of bed
if she farted.
by BlindSquirrel on Feb 12, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
That's a dedicated lover right there.
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by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 12, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't know him from anyone else at a Nickelback concert.
But his wife on the other hand…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
by Nate Wilder on Feb 12, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't know him from anyone else at a Nickelback concert.
So your admitting to all of us that your a Nickelback fan?
Bold man to admit such a thing.
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by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 12, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Listen...
I’m not gonna say I’ve never sang along to one of their songs. We’ve all done things we aren’t proud of.
Am I buying tickets? Oh God, no. Though I am moderately shocked they haven’t been a Skyblast performance yet.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
by Nate Wilder on Feb 12, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
We’ve all done things we aren’t proud of.
I can relate to that, I was a huge Hanson fan back in the day. But since I was about 10 when they debut I have a great excuse: I was young and stupid.
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by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 12, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
any truth to the rumor that Burnett had Washington on his no-trade list?
so close to Baltimore, yet so far?
did'nt hear that rumor...
But would Washington even want Burnett?
by FusilliJerry88 on Feb 12, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Mr Tibbs went to Washington.
Bonzo went to Washington, too.
by Midnight Moose on Feb 13, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
I'm surprised
A standard no trade clause for the Pirates hasn’t been written into the CBA. That would have come in handy in ’07 with Matt Morris.
oh-ho-ho-ho-ho, my my, hi-lar-i-ous!!!
People tend to forget, that (speaking strictly as a baseball trade) the Giants waived Rajai Davis FOUR DAYS BEFORE the Pirates did the same to Morris. And MacFarland went to Independent ball the following year (where he still remains.)
I know people can’t get enough Matt Morris jokes, but let’s not forget that the Giants and Pirates both cut loose everyone involved in the trade right around the same time. It would be a bit funnier if the Giants had run away with an All-Star from this trade.
I know the Pirates spent a lot of cash on Morris, but it doesn’t come within 100 million miles of the ARam trade.
I mean..
Morris was worth -2.3 WAR in the last two seasons of his career.
Davis has been worth 4.6 WAR since the trade.
Considering Davis hasn’t been paid much at all in his career, it was a clear win for the Giants, but oddly they didn’t keep Davis either.
that was kind of my point....
Davis turned out to be a solid player, but he lasted less time in SF than Morris did in Pittsburgh. It’s not as if the Giants made out as bandits in the trade. They ended up with the more productive player from that point forward, but they weren’t the recipients of much of that productivity. And they cut Davis loose without getting anything for him, so both teams were left holding nothing less than a year after the trade.
by impliedi on Feb 12, 2012 9:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
and too bad the Pirates had a blind, dead guy for a GM when that trade was made.
"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.
You take that back about DL!!!
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by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 12, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhh...He has the looks of a shady used car salesman.
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Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 13, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
"a shady used car salesman"
I don’t know how to do it, so somebody insert a photo of the commissioner
HERE
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
"Give 'em the guns."
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
Ovechkin-Leich-Semin: The greatest line in hockey..............................Tee Hee
Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 13, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
He always seemed to be a genuinely nice guy in person
He always said hello in passing and took the time to talk to me at a spring training game when he was scouting for the Cubs a few years ago.
Unfortunately, I guess nice guys finish last in the baseball world as well.
I'd say he looks more like a vantriliquist dummy.
[Insert ownership joke here.]
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
Nutting's too cheap to find a real dummy, so they hired DL instead
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Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 13, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
in about ten years
DL will be able to play the lead in the Mitt Romney made-for-TV movie.
(NOT a political comment so don’t flame me . . . just an observation about slick guys with coiffed hair and cheesy smiles.)
You never know
Mr. Romney could be playing DL in the movie. It’ll be called Funnyball. Woody Harrelson, as Jeromy Burnitz, will look spectacular not running out 6-3 ground balls in 3-D.
i nominate
craig robinson to play lloyd mcclendon
by gorillagogo on Feb 13, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Reasons to be optimistic.
I have posted this in another thread, but I am going to create a list of reasons to why we should have high hopes for Burnett.
1. The last reports I read had Burnett healthy and hitting 93 on the gun. If he is slipping, he still seems to have a lot in the tank.
2. Bigger ball park( balls blew out of Yankees Stadium last year)
3. Better defense behind him.
4. Less pressure from the media.
5. Gets to face a pitcher for the first time since 2005( 198 Ks and 3.34 era)
6. The NL central is going to have an awful offense in general while the AL East had the best offense by division last year even taking the Yankees out of it.
7. Had way more strikeouts and higher K/9 than any of our pitchers last year.
8. Almost pitched 200 innings last year(we need an innings eater)
9. While he didnt have the best season last year, he did improve pretty much across the board from the previous year which helps against the declining arguement.
10. Just look at Javier Vazquez pitching 87 MPH and coming to the NL to dominate :-)
I like your optimism!!!
Personally, I’m not expecting Burnett to have some kind of Cy Young candidate year, nor will it make me think any less of the acquisition than if he just turns in a solid year.
Just like all eyes should be on Alvarez’s offense this season, I think all eyes should be on Morton’s pitching.
I mean, all the Pirates need is for Burnett and Bedard to be better than the combination of Correia/Ohlendorf/Maholm and the Pirates are already ahead of last year. Not exactly a tall order. A very, very good year from both Bedard and Burnett would be stupendous, but not necessary. Again, I want most to see if Charlie Morton will take a big step forward (or backward) the year. Solid performances out of the others would be enough to make me happy.
by impliedi on Feb 12, 2012 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And, as others have alluded to....
I’m much more concerned with starters 6-10 of the rotation, than the regular top 5. The lackschedule of rotationthe depth is outright scary. I think the top 5 are going to be perfectly fine. It’s when one goes down that the Pirates will be in real trouble this year.
by impliedi on Feb 12, 2012 9:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
other than the Rays, most teams would be in trouble if someone in their top 5 went down
by white angus on Feb 12, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
"Rays" is slowly becoming a small-market swear word to me.
It’s like having a baby brother that does everything better than you while you’re still sleeping on mom’s couch.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
by Nate Wilder on Feb 12, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad they had a real tough time getting fans to come see that baby brother kick ass.
Ovechkin-Leich-Semin: The greatest line in hockey..............................Tee Hee
Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 12, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Prodigal Son
Nobody likes a showoff. The underdog though…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
by Nate Wilder on Feb 12, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Buh but....we have Bob Smizik and Mark Madden in the media here
They can be tough pain in the asses to deal with and Madden a super genius!!!!
Ovechkin-Leich-Semin: The greatest line in hockey..............................Tee Hee
Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 12, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
I can't listen to Madden.
If I can hear you gasping for breath over the air then you’re too fat for radio. I used to be a TV/Radio undergrad too, and believer me…it’s not possible to be too fat for radio.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
by Nate Wilder on Feb 12, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it’s not possible to be too fat for radio
And him and Vinny Richichi are proving that on a daily basis.
As for him being too fat, I could care less about that. It’s him stirring the pot 24/7, making up things and insulting his callers turns me off when it comes to him. I just like to listen to people talk about sports, what I don’t like is someone jerking me around and that’s what he does.
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Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 12, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
When I was a kid
my dad would listen to him non-stop in the car. The hatred was born young.
He isn’t the only man on radio who insults callers though, I’ve heard Colin Dunlap do it often.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
by Nate Wilder on Feb 12, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
The hatred was born young with me too.
I hated him going all the way back to the early 00’s when he was working for WCW. Towards the end he was the heel announcer on Nitro and he was a ultra annoying heel to boot.
I remember one episode of Nitro, Tank Abbott beat him up in front of the announcing table and gave him a black eye. I couldn’t stop cheering I hate him that much.
Ovechkin-Leich-Semin: The greatest line in hockey..............................Tee Hee
Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 12, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's pretty obvious
That’s why I don’t listen to him. He’s an ignorant blowhard.
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Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 13, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Isn't that how you get a sports radio gig?
Be an arrogant blowhard who belittles and insults anyone who doesn’t kiss you ass?
I can’t listen to sports radio.
Be an arrogant blowhard who belittles and insults anyone who doesn’t kiss you ass
You can pretty much say that about most types of talk radio sports or political. That’s the reason why when i’m in the car I either listen to music or Howard Stern when there’s not a game on.
Ovechkin-Leich-Semin: The greatest line in hockey..............................Tee Hee
Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 13, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
Works for Jim Rome.
AKA Douchenozzle Deluxe.
________________________________
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was at UCSB when Rome was there...
(I don’t want to say I went to school with him, because I didn’t personally know him). He’s proof that douches are born, not made.
More thru MLBTR
New York is insistent on getting the “right players” in a Burnett trade, tweets Marc Carig of the New Jersey Star-Ledger. Carig’s source notes that this is “not a give away” of Burnett, and says that the two sides intend to keep working toward a deal
I’m not sure how much this means, although it’s safe to say the Yankees aren’t going to accept Noah Krol in return. One thing to keep in mind with all these reports: nearly all of them are coming out of NY. We’re used to an environment where there’s very little that leaks out about negotiations, thanks to the fact that most of the media could give a shit less about the Pirates. The Yankees are used to using the media as a tool in their negotiations, and the NY media happily obliges. This is a totally different environment from the one in which the Pirates normally operate and this stuff can’t be taken at face value.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
by WTM on Feb 12, 2012 9:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, this, and
I like how those three other phantom teams were conjured up out of nowhere. Lemme guess who they are: the New York Knights, the Chunichi Dragons and the Rockford Peaches.
by Jitterbug on Feb 12, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
All of this with the Milwaukee Beers and Dallas Felons lurking in the background.
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by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 12, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
just as long as
the Pirates pay no more than 13 million and give away 2 (non Top 30) prospects I’ll be very satisfied.
But I still can’t believe Burnett is not a Bucco yet.
13 mill and two prospects?
If you would take that offer, I also have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in.
13 million straight up or 10 mill and a C prospect tops.
When people are talking about Burnett...
and Yankee Stadium being a problem…has anyone actually LOOKED at his splits??
2009 Home ERA 3.51 Home WHIP 1.333 Road ERA 4.59 Road WHIP 1.471
2010 Home ERA 4.59 Home WHIP 1.469 Road ERA 5.76 Road WHIP 1.542
2011 Home ERA 4.41 Home WHIP 1.303 Road ERA 6.28 Road WHIP 1.632
We get it you hate Burnett
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Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 12, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I don't hate Burnett...
he’s probably an improvement over Correia. Just don’t use Yankee Stadium to explain away his numbers, when it’s the exact opposite that is the case.
I see and I apologize for the accucation
Believe me I won’t be doing that, i’m not a sabrematician like alot of people here.
Ovechkin-Leich-Semin: The greatest line in hockey..............................Tee Hee
Proud supporter of the following clubs: Pittsburgh Penguins, Erie Otters, Columbus Crew, Boston Celtics and the best football clubs in the land: Manchester United F.C.
The Manchester United Football Club: Winning countless trophies and making City fans jealous and full of envy since 1902.
by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 12, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
just like the Pirates...
… Burnett actually pitched pretty well until July and collapsed in August
by white angus on Feb 12, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I don't hate him, in fact I'm in favor.
But your point is valid. Launching balls over the RF wall in PNC isn’t exactly unheard of.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
by Nate Wilder on Feb 12, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Looking at Burnett's 2011 road splits
It appears most of the damage came in three disastrous starts, one each at Baltimore, White Sox and Minnesota. In those three starts, he posted a 20.70 ERA and 3.20 WHIP. The rest of his road starts he had a 4.09 ERA and 1.39 WHIP.
I don’t have time to add up the exact 2010 and 2009 numbers right now but the same pattern held. In 2009 there were two bad starts and 2010 there were four. In all three years, Burnett got shelled in US Cellular Field. The Bucs don’t play the White Sox this year, so Burnett wouldn’t have to face his personal house of horrors
by gorillagogo on Feb 13, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
If we do end up trading for Burnett, i think another nice piece to this offseason would be to sign Scott Kazmir. I know the past 2 seasons he has been awful, but he was a stud for the 4 years previous. He and Bedard would be or only two LH starters and would give the starters great depth/experience/upside. Having Bedard, Burnett and Kazmir there would be insane amounts of upside in all 3 of them.
Kazmir has no upside left that I know of
unless he’s recovered velocity out of nowhere
by BurgherKing on Feb 13, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Rays
had a tremendous talent there and insisted on loading innings (186 at 21, 200+ at 23) on a young arm. Kazmir stood up to it for awhile but look what we have now, at age what, 28?
Even good teams do stupid shit, I guess in the hope that the young fireballing stud will be the 1 exception to the rule of 999 others. (See also: Willis, Dontrelle).
I get the idea: Empty his tank in the six years you have him and leave nothing for the next team, but that’s a terrible way to treat talent.
Heard he was clocking in at like 84mph. Sad to see such a fall.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
-Earl Weaver
well
I can feel sorry for a guy who’s body physically broke down, and that ended his professional career. The guy now cannot do what he LOVED to do…because his body broke down.
I don’t see how earnings play into if you do/don’t feel sorry for someone.
by insane_sanity on Feb 13, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
said it in other thread
Former CYA Brandon Webb has begun throwing!
They can suck it in NY
New York is insistent on getting the “right players” in a Burnett trade, tweets Marc Carig of the New Jersey Star-Ledger. Carig’s source notes that this is “not a give away” of Burnett, and says that the two sides intend to keep working toward a deal
I call bull on this
I think everyone that gives a hoot about baseball knows the Yankee’s modus operandi, they get the “right players” by signing them to new contracts, and most (not all – they’ve smartened up recently by actually paying attention during the draft) of their starters are ridiculous baseball talents. Everything I’ve heard and what I tend to believe is that any posturings such as this are attempts to publicly save face, both for the team, and for the player involved (AJ). The Yankees will never publicly announce, “Yeah, we needed to get Burnett’s albatross of a contract off the books so we could go sign a player that could actually help us.” They’ll make motions that this was a baseball move and that (insert low upside prospect name here) was the player they really wanted. In reality, that same player will most likely be a player that’s out of baseball in 3 years or less.
Book it, Dano.
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