Athletics Agree To Sign Yoenis Cespedes
Well, this is surprising. Billy Beane must feel confident in that move to San Jose. Cespedes gets four years and $36 million.
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This is much cheaper than I was expecting
The positive thing (at least from the Pirates perspective) is that this prevents the terms for Jorge Soler from getting too out of control. A prospect like that fits in with the team’s overall strategy. Once the Burnett deal gets finished, I want to see the Pirates get Soler. That strikes me as a nice way to polish off the offseason before Pitchers and Catchers report. At least to the best of my knowledge they haven’t been linked to the outfielder at all, but hopefully something is going on behind the scenes…
by KentuckyPirate on Feb 13, 2012 12:29 PM EST reply actions
since this has been the year of the “mystery team” for signing free agents (aka: fielder/tigers, albert/angels, cespedes/A’s), they buccos could have a shot at Soler. but it looks like right now Epstein, Hoyer, and the rest of the Cubbies brass are heavily going after getting Soler right now. granted, the fish did heavily go after Cespedes too, but for some reason I see Epstein and Hoyer doing alot more for Soler than the Marlins did for Cespedes because the Cubbies wanna try and rebuild
Soler would be a real nice edition
What’s anyone thinking of the contract might be?
He's been compared favorably to Leonys Martin
who got 3/$15M IIRC. However, Soler is younger. Martin played briefly in the Texas in his first year and he’s 23. Soler’s 19 and would probably go to West Virginia. Also, the Cespedes deal didn’t inflate the market the way I (and probably at least a handful of the people much smarter than I am) expected it to. I’m completely pulling these numbers out of thin air but how about 3 yrs and $11M…
by KentuckyPirate on Feb 13, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
You might be thinking of the wrong guy
CharlieWerner (York, PA): What type of player is Jorge Soler? Does he have plus power potential, plus speed, or a plus hit tool? Haven’t see his actual skills adressed other than people saying he has big potential but is very raw
Kevin Goldstein: Classic RF profile. Tons of raw power, good arm, good overall athlete. Would be single digit pick in the draft.
That’s from today’s chat, where he also predicted he would get 25-27.5 million for his contract.
It's a little old
but I was going off of this where Callis compared Soler to Martin. Like I said, he believes Soler is the better of the two and said that he expected him to get more.
I saw that the Cubs are willing to give him the $25-27M figure you mentioned above and if that’s really the case, then I say let Theo have him. I like Soler but that’s what we spent in the last two drafts combined. I don’t care how talented he is, Soler is 19 and will need a couple of years in the minors. I’m not spending that much on a minor leaguer. A lot can go wrong in the amount of time it takes a $19 year old to get to the bigs.
by KentuckyPirate on Feb 13, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I just saw that
am I the only one who thinks that’s absolutely absurd. The Reds paid $30M for Aroldis Chapman who was 22, could pitch in the bigs almost immediately and throws 106. The A’s gave Cespedes $36M but he’ll be on their Opening Day roster I’d assume (or at least be up by June). Soler is 19! They’d be spending two draft budgets on a kid who can’t help them for 2 or 3 years! People thought it was crazy for the Pirates to give Josh Bell $5M! Crazy might not be the right word there, but I think you get the point. The Rays have less money invested in Matt Moore! I hope all of my !’s are adequately conveying my surprise!
On a side note, do you think adding Cespedes might make Brandon Allen more easily attainable by crowding the OF/DH crowd…
by KentuckyPirate on Feb 13, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
This
On a side note, do you think adding Cespedes might make Brandon Allen more easily attainable by crowding the OF/DH crowd…
is a really poorly worded sentence…
by KentuckyPirate on Feb 13, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
They’d be spending two draft budgets on a kid who can’t help them for 2 or 3 years!
When Boras used a loophole to make Matt White, Travis Lee, John Patterson, and Bobby Seay free agents right after the draft in 1996, they all got substantially higher bonuses than the standard first-rounder. White and Lee both got $10+M to sign, at a time when the #1 overall pick (Benson) got a signing bonus of $2M.
On a side note, do you think adding Cespedes might make Brandon Allen more easily attainable by crowding the OF/DH crowd…
I think he’s already pretty attainable – the question is whether or not our FO thinks he’d be a good acquisition.
Allen is horrible
Cash or a cardboard cutout of Chad Hermansen
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
I’m honestly not sure what the market for Allen is right now, and I have nearly as little sense of what the A’s would want in return.
Probably a C+ guy of the A’s choosing?
I wouldn’t give up someone who’s a C+ by Sickels’ standards, but he’s a harsh grader.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 13, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
I guess the better question about Allen
would be do you think the A’s would be more aggressive in trying to deal him…
by KentuckyPirate on Feb 13, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
This isn't cheaper per year than what I was hearing.
Since the last I heard was to the Marlins for something like 6 years and $40 million (6.67 per year) and this is for $9 million a year. That’s a lot for a completely unproven player.
Yeah exactly
It’s really not even that low for the total package. Kevin Goldstein said the over/under was about $40 million and he was thinking of a 6 year deal. Here he comes up just short of that, but gets to free agency 2 years early with a shot at another good contract as a 30 year old. It’s an extremely player friendly deal, especially when you consider that he’s likely spending at least 1/3 of 2012 in the minors.
not unproven
he’s played or 6 years, could be watched on internet tv, against competition better than college. it’s not MLB, but it’s not nothing
by Brian Cartwright on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
minor league stats are more uncertain
but Matt Diaz had a career .303 BA in MLB. Why did he fail?
Scoutng and stats on Cespedes match up fairly well. He’s very athletic, above average speed, good arm, has played CF. Good or better power, set HR record in his league last year, and had been a top player in that league for four years. Compared to others who made the same jump he could be expected to put up at least a .200 ISO, but be average on BA and OB.
by Brian Cartwright on Feb 14, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
I have no belief at all we will get Soler. Sorry
Where is any proof that it could happen? The two big IFA signings we went after both cost us under 4 million dollars and we had ins on both players. I see no evidence of us having an in on Soler. The good thing about this is the Cubs (or any NL team) didn’t get Cespedes.
Now let’s hope they don’t get Soler too. They did just get Concepcion too, and he signed for a bit over 7 million. According to KG, he would rank Concepcion 6th on a list of Cubs prospects. That means he wouldn’t even sniff a top 100 list. On the other hand, the consensus seems to be Soler probably would have went in the top 5 in last years draft, ahead of Bubba Starling. That makes him a top 50 prospect. I’d have to imagine more than 3/11 like you said below KP.
Still, the issue is we have no in on Soler as far as I can tell. We aren’t going to overpay to overcome that fact.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Feb 13, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Or this, via KG
Q: Where would Yoenis Cespedes rank?
A: Number 20, ahead of Nolan Arenado.
Q: Where would Jorge Soler rank?
A: Number 38 (or number 39 if Cespedes was also getting ranked), ahead of Yasmani Grandal.
Q: Where would Gerardo Concepcion rank?
A: Concepcion has signed with the Cubs, so he is eligible for this list, but he’s not a Top 101 prospect for me.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Feb 13, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Uh
this is a rebuild. They still get him for 6 years (I believe) even if it’s a 4 year contract. Or something. I’m still not sure how IFA contracts like that work.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Feb 13, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think they do
i believe they cannot offer him arb after the 4th year… which effectively means that the regular 3 years of control after the first 3 do not exist. (I believe, anyway; i m none too clear on this, but it seems similar to Aki’s contract in that sense)
I stand corrected
According to Cot’s, dude will be a free agent in 2016. Granted, rebuilding mode brought in plenty of prospects that could turn that team into contender circa 2014-2015, so Cespedes could fit well.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Feb 13, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
2015 World Series...
…Pirates vs. Athletics.
You heard it here first!
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
by Raybin on Feb 13, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
off topic: anyone see that hideous homerun display machine thingy in the new Miami stadium???
click on the “marlins park aquarium” link on the right and they have a picture of the ballpark. i honestly thought that the initial design was a joke, but damn if they didnt actually build that futhermucker!
Goldstein has been tweeting during the past hour
Cespedes got a 4 yr MLB deal that agreed to free agency at end of contract.
Soler is 19, KG thinks will take 2-3 yrs to reach majors, so will get from Cubs a typical amateur contract where 6 yr service time til FA doesn’t begin until he gets to MLB, but if it’s a MLB contract he has 3 options
by Brian Cartwright on Feb 13, 2012 11:31 PM EST reply actions
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