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Heyman: Pirates, Yankees Will Complete A.J. Burnett Trade

Jon Heyman:

barring something unforeseen, aj trade will be completed w/i a few days. pirates to pay $13M of $33M, give up 2 non-roster minor leaguers

$13 million is real money, so I wouldn't expect the prospects to be particularly good. Not that we were expecting otherwise.

UPDATE: Dejan Kovacevic's column says something similar about the details of the deal, and also praises the Pirates' front office for the way it has handled negotiations with the Yankees. He also does a nice job explaining why Burnett is a better acquisition than his baseball-card stats make him look. It's a very good column, overall.

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Barring a last second collapse looks like this will go through. I like that the Bucs stuck to their guns here and will not give up anything more than cash and marginal minor leaguers. AJ will get a fresh start at PNC and in the NL and hopefully will regain his form. I am not looking for him to be dominant by any means. But if he can give us 180+ innings, a decent number of K’s and keep his ERA in the high 3’s to low 4’s then NH and company have pulled off a good one. He should benefit not having to constantly face AL East line ups and no Pujols and very little Fielder. Will be nice to have a starter that hopefully does not start to fade and peter out come August. Is Correia likely the odd man out if we do get AJ? Someone we make the long relief guy and spot starter when needed?

by fitguync30 on Feb 17, 2012 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

B-b-b-but Dejan hates the FO and lives his life for the sole purpose of trashing them! This column must have been written by his evil twin.

Speaking of evil, there’s this bit of wisdom from NY Post.

Burnett would be the Pirates’ No. 2 starter behind Kevin Correia and ahead of the oft-injured Erik Bedard.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 17, 2012 12:31 AM EST reply actions  

Oh, how being an All-Star affects public perception of you…

by Superstar25 on Feb 17, 2012 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

hahaaaaaaaa

guess we could jim tracy him under a bus.

by white angus on Feb 17, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Enjoy your rec.

Now someone make this green.

Stupidity should be painful.
@elwreckingball

by wrecking_ball on Feb 17, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Done

That was too funny.

It's just my two cents. Could be worth more, could be worth nothing.

by Bishop1973 on Feb 17, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I wish

That would mean he’s a non-roster player

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by glass0941 on Feb 17, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

not going to happen

you guys will never learn, sweetleb has a guy inside the yankees fo and they are just messy with the pirates. plus why would the pirates not wait to see how he is throwing in spring training.

"please buy the team mr. cuban"

by sweetleb on Feb 17, 2012 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

No matter how many translators I put it through,

It still comes out the same:

n’ goes oneself producing. It of the types n’ you never learn, sweetleb have a l’ type; Inside the Yankees FO and they are simply impure with the pirates. positively, why they robbery-copy, it waits, in order to see, how it throws the education in the spring.

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by cocktailsfor2 on Feb 17, 2012 5:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t see the difference, myself.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 17, 2012 7:05 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what I'm sayin'...

…it’s the same, no matter how you try to make English out of it.

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by cocktailsfor2 on Feb 17, 2012 7:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I get:

“Is to learn pesky Yankee Pirate sweetleb ppl man. Pirate throws after waiting for his spring training.”

So we’re getting Johnny Pesky back too? When did the Red Sox get in on this?

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 17, 2012 7:50 AM EST up reply actions  

When did the Red Sox get in on this?

Sweetleb has a janitor in the Boston FO.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 17, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

This is just disturbing...
they are just messy with the pirates

Whatever happened to "don’t ask, don’t tell? This isn’t a porn site….

Welcome to the new dark ages.....

by Trogluddite on Feb 17, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

It got repealed of course

So I suppose maybe he is into that kind of thing. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

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by glass0941 on Feb 17, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

He must be Newman! Constanza is his source. I think we finally nailed it!

by rj.reynolds on Feb 17, 2012 4:41 AM EST up reply actions  

That's his man on the inside!

The Pisano’s delivery guy. Either that, or he’s from the coffee shop. But no, you have to get the BIIIIIG salad!

The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
Perspectives become reality.
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by glass0941 on Feb 17, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Let me guess Sweetleb

You couldn’t sleep so you took a late-night troll?

"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.

by Pagliaroni on Feb 17, 2012 6:08 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm scared

If this deal gets done the buccos will have 6 actual major league starting pitchers for 5 spots. Um…what the eff is happening here?

by bosten7 on Feb 17, 2012 12:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

6 actual major league starting pitchers

Burnett, Bedard, J-Mac, Morton, Karstens and . . . ?

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 17, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Correia

??? Dude was an all-star last year…

by bosten7 on Feb 17, 2012 1:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And Mike Williams was an All-Star with an ERA over 6.00.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 17, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you saying Mike Williams wasn’t a major league caliber pitcher?

by bosten7 on Feb 17, 2012 1:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The year after his last All-Star appearance he sure wasn’t.

by Schide on Feb 17, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

The year OF that appearance he wasn’t, either.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 17, 2012 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

And Correia isn’t a major league caliber starter.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 17, 2012 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

this is a little silly

No, Correia didn’t have a great year, and no, he didn’t really deserve that ASG nod, and yes, he got lucky with run support, etc. etc. etc. I get it. But he’s found consistent work in the major leagues for years now, which makes him, by definition, a “major league caliber” starter. He may be worse than the “average” starter, but he’s MLB caliber.

We all wish that our rotation was better, but there’s no reason to belittle guys unnecessarily.

by Garrett122 on Feb 17, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

question is... once Correia is gone, who becomes the next whippin boy?

first it was cedeno. then it was overbay. then diaz. now correia.

nnnnnnnnnnnnnext!!!!

by white angus on Feb 17, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

who becomes the next whippin boy?

Paul Martin……..oh wait wrong sport.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 18, 2012 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s exaggerating to say he’s “found consistent work” as a starter. The Giants dropped him from their rotation and moved him to the bullpen, where he did his best pitching. He lost his starting job with the Padres, who then let him walk with no return. He “found work” only in the sense that a bad team picked him up (in the midst of doing a real bangup job of signing FAs) and foolishly gave him a guaranteed two-year contract. There probably isn’t another team in MLB that would go into spring training with Correia a rotation lock, and it looks to me like the Pirates don’t want to do so, either. I’m willing to bet he’s the guy who’ll lose out to Burnett, unless Morton’s surgery intervenes. At some point, when one team after another finds a player inadequate to hold a regular ML job, you can no longer say the player is a ML quality player in that job.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 17, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Not silly at all.
But he’s found consistent work in the major leagues for years now, which makes him, by definition, a "major league caliber" starter.

Just as putting a turd in a flower vase doesn’t make it a rose, putting Kevin Correia in your rotation does not make him a “major league caliber” starter.

Rather, it is an indictment of the effect expansion has had on the quality of pitching in MLB, as there are 150 rotation spots that have to be filled every year by 30 teams that have budgets ranging from $210MM to $40MM, and those at the bottom of that scale will look to fill their spots as cheaply as possible, hence the continued use of the Kevin Correias and Brett Tomkos and Zach Dukes of the world.

It's just my two cents. Could be worth more, could be worth nothing.

by Bishop1973 on Feb 17, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

But he’s found consistent work in the major leagues for years now, which makes him, by definition, a "major league caliber" starter.

By definition, that makes him a ML starter, not a ML-caliber starter.

by Vlad on Feb 17, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

If we sent Jones to the Yankees and picked up Lyle Overbay to replace him, by this reasoning Overbay would be a ML caliber firstbaseman.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 17, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Reminds me of the line in the NHBA about Bobby Bonilla's defense:
Bonilla…has played about 8,000 career innings at third base, so I suppose that makes him a third baseman, and if you sent him into space a few times I suppose that would make him an astronaut…

Bill James does turn a nice phrase from time to time.

by Vlad on Feb 17, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

By definition, that makes him a ML starter, not a ML-caliber starter.

I guess I don’t understand the difference between those two labels.

Seems to me like like someone who routinely starts in the major leagues is a major-league caliber starter.

Whatever. I’m not a big KC fan and I’m not gonna spend a lot of words defending him. He’s a below-average ML starter, agreed. But remember that half of all MLB players have to be below average.

by Garrett122 on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

According to standard BD thought, though...

Every player on the roster has to have an OPS+ of 200 or a WHIP of under .50 or they should be taken out back shot, and buried in a shallow grave.

by BarryJT on Feb 17, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, the standard BD poster advocates shooting literally every single player in the MLB because he’s not good enough.

Have you seen Correia’s numbers? Only once in 9 seasons has he had a WAR above 2. He has been pretty consistently below average as an ML starter, so saying he shouldn’t be in a major league rotation isn’t exactly an absurd statement.

by Superstar25 on Feb 17, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

My comment on shooting people is hyperbole, as I’m sure you’re aware, and not a statement of fact.

by BarryJT on Feb 17, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He has been pretty consistently below average as an ML starter, so saying he shouldn’t be in a major league rotation isn’t exactly an absurd statement.

No, it’s not absurd. But saying that below average = not major league caliber is kind of a non sequitar. Half of the pitchers in the majors are below average.

by Garrett122 on Feb 20, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like the Voltaire passage where he visited England and said they were hanging an admiral to “encourage the others.”

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 17, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The floogings will continue...

…until the morale improves.

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by cocktailsfor2 on Feb 19, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Would I be overreaching to presume AJ Burnett at $6.5m is a better deal than Edwin Jackson at $11m?

by pizibao on Feb 17, 2012 1:04 AM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't say overreaching

well within the realm of possibility.

by Garrett122 on Feb 17, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

that $4.5m per year would have taken out a lot of projection and good luck, “guaranteed” about 1.5 more WAR per year and Jackson has just as much breakout potential.

*guaranteed meaning likely to achieve (~ 2 vs 3.5)

by Mr. E on Feb 17, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I’d rather have E-Jax at 3/30, but it wasn’t happening.

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 17, 2012 7:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Not overreaching....

much better since we have AJ for two years – with Jackson, we’d likely be facing the same problem next off-season

Welcome to the new dark ages.....

by Trogluddite on Feb 17, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec

Thanks for the rundown.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 17, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for stopping by...

and the write up.

Welcome to the new dark ages.....

by Trogluddite on Feb 17, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

appreciate the post

by Mingy on Feb 17, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

"just be prepared for some frustration along the way"

yeahhhhh, pirates fans aren’t used to frustration. thanks for the heads up.

by white angus on Feb 17, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Much appreciated

Thanks for the rundown. Always nice to get the perspective of someone whose seen a player a lot

The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
Perspectives become reality.
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by glass0941 on Feb 17, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Nice to get an informed opinion from a Yanks fan.

by Wizard of Woz on Feb 17, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Not here

There are certainly Yankees fans who want to see AJ leave and totally trash him, but for the most part fans liked AJ as a person, and appreciate his contributions as a key member of the 2009 World Series team. I’m a huge baseball fan and the fans here seem to be pretty knowledgeable, so I figured it’s the type of place that would welcome an outside perspective on AJ. There are plenty of other places and boards for the trolls!

by LordD99 on Feb 17, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

There are plenty of other places and boards for the trolls!

Could you give them sweetleb’s references?

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 17, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for stopping by. This post, along with DK’s piece, are two of the most sensible things I have read all week about this soap opera, and it’s only 9:00am! Things are looking up.

However, I will refrain from celebrating until I find out who the prospects are.

www.drstrangeglove.com

by nycbucsfan on Feb 17, 2012 9:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You will be wrong. Bad AJ will show up. The goal is to minimize the bad AJ

I love it, cause it sounds like we have a say in the matter.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Feb 17, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Well...

…you do have a say. I used to say all the time to my TV “take him out!” Girardi somehow wouldn’t hear me or listen…but I had my say.

by LordD99 on Feb 17, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

we've all guessed a million things

but i’m guessing that in the end NH’s stubbornness has paid off. I’m betting that we’re giving up no one in our top 30 and paying 13 million (6.5 per) instead of the 15 million that the Yankees wanted us to. I can’t wait for this to go through and look at the deatils and knows that we ripped them off!

AJ being worth 6.5 million a year is the FLOOR of his value. so excite

by Mingy on Feb 17, 2012 8:45 AM EST reply actions  

WAIT!

There’s a possible deal for Burnett? This came totally out of nowhere. Just another example where there are no rumors, and BANG, a deal is made.

So, have you guys discussed this much?

by Wizard of Woz on Feb 17, 2012 8:52 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

plug

That comes from a comic/blog called Hyperbole and a Half, which is ridiculously funny. Don’t know where that particular one comes from, but these are two of my favorites (warning: long as hell):

The Party
The Year Kenny Loggins Ruined Christmas

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 17, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Some things just cut to close to the bone for me. (Speaking of which, I’m really bummed out that the depression one is still at the top of the page.)

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 17, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh
PNC Park, which always has favored pitchers (except when Albert Pujols was up), allowed the sixth fewest.

Well, some of that is due to the fact the Pirates don’t exactly hit a lot of HRs

The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
Perspectives become reality.
Twitter: @shanecglass

by glass0941 on Feb 17, 2012 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

DK finally gave in to the importance of Sabermetrics.......

Now, if he could only do it without being condescending and referring to himself as a ‘geek’ because he, you know, actually made good and substantive points.

Its been a long time coming for Mr. Kovacevic. What next? Smizik pens a column that speaks eloquently to the decision by the FO to not spend money just to say they did? That would be earth shattering…..

by Mr. Smizik on Feb 17, 2012 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

CHARLIE MORTON LIVES!!!!

he’s tossing down in bradenton…RIGHT NOW

by Mingy on Feb 17, 2012 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

No, but the Pirates have said repeatedly that he’s ahead of schedule. After their admitted mistake with J-Mac last April, I’m sure they’ll be sensible, but it beats the heck out of the dreaded “he’s day-to-day” sort of scenario.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 17, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Olney Reporting a Deal - Heading to Commish...

Sources: Yankees and Pirates hope to take their proposed Burnett deal to the Commissioner later today, for approval.

https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN

by Mick Kraut on Feb 17, 2012 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

Ray Searage

I think Burnett will also benefit working with pitching coach Ray Searage, we’ve seen the good work he’s put since replacing Joe Kerrigan. For Burnett, a fresh start working Searage could be rejuvenating.

by SteelStealth on Feb 17, 2012 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

Much as I would love to believe this...

…at 35, I think A.J. Burnett is the very definition of the “old dog” who cannot or will not learn new tricks. Face it, he’s got two years left on his contract and is guaranteed to make $33MM, at which point he can retire and hang out at home with his hot wife.

This is the downside of guaranteed contracts; there is no incentive to produce, especially for older players, as you are going to get paid no matter how you perform. Think the Yankees are going to be happy when A-Rod’s body breaks down completely and they are still on the hook for $XMM dollars, or how about the Cubs with the ever-declining Alfonso Soriano?

It's just my two cents. Could be worth more, could be worth nothing.

by Bishop1973 on Feb 17, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course

He still could get another few years pitching and make a few (or ten) extra million after this contract ends.

Then again, when your wife looks like this, is there really much incentive to?

The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
Perspectives become reality.
Twitter: @shanecglass

by glass0941 on Feb 17, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

He has made...

…$87MM playing baseball to date, having won 13 or more games only twice in 10 full seasons and owning a career ERA+ of 105. He parlayed a decent season in 2008 into this deal with the Yankees, at the end of which he will have earned $120MM as a major-league pitcher despite being rather mediocre.

Taking into account the money he obviously spent on cosmetic upgrades for Mrs. Burnett, unless he was completely careless with his money, he has no need to play any further beyond the end of this contract and can spend his retirement going motorboating every day.

It's just my two cents. Could be worth more, could be worth nothing.

by Bishop1973 on Feb 17, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

first of all, props for the motorboating comment, well done

second, as a really competitive former player who never got paid to play, i really hated to lose. Burnett has been on some bad teams too. And sure, hes made his millions and gotten a ring, but theres no reason to think he is going to Derek Bell us.

by white angus on Feb 17, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Not intimating that he will pull an Operation Shutdown...

…but rather that he has no reason to want to pitch beyond 2013 when his contract is up. If he flat-out quits now, he forfeits the money, so he can just coast through the next two years, hope to get flipped to a contender either this trade deadline or next, and then ride his wife off into the sunset.

It's just my two cents. Could be worth more, could be worth nothing.

by Bishop1973 on Feb 17, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

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