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This is amazing. This is one of the weirdest arguments I've ever seen from a mainstream columnist, and I've seen plenty of weird ones. I'm not even totally sure what this guy is talking about. Not Pat, of course, but I'm linking to him because that's where I found it, and SB Nation is telling me the link to the original article isn't valid.

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He probally thought that was a good deal...

After all we did land Bobby Hill in that trade.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Feb 20, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The autor has a point when he talks about the Yanks screwing the system by giving $$$$ to any FA

But the Burnett trade and the other example he gives are totally different. The Burnett trade makes baseball sense for both teams, and the Yankees still pay for their mistake of signing a $88M.

Maybe as a Toronto writer, he thinks whatever helps the Yankees is a bullet in the foot of the Jays … but that was poorly executed. Basically, he “Smitzik-ed”.

by From France on Feb 20, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, his overall lamenting of Yankees and free agent signings is correct.

by CO_Bucs on Feb 20, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps if the extremely wealthy owners of the Blue Jays loosened their purse strings, they might be able to compete in their division.

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by nycbucsfan on Feb 20, 2012 4:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think his point...

albeit a horribly illustrated one, is that allowing the super-rich to buy their way out of a big deal by dumping him on a team that can’t compete for FA talent will only widen the gap between baseball haves and have nots by encouraging wild spending through the allowance of financially motivated deals like this one.

That is stupid. Getting overburdened by massive contracts doesn’t encourage limitless spending because a player has to show some value in order for a trade like this to work. If it didn’t, then the Cubs would have bought their way out of Soriano’s mega-deal by dumping him on Baltimore and Adam Dunn would have been hitting cleanup for Oakland in mid-May of last season. The Yankees essentially gave A.J. Burnett $70M for three years of work. That’s batshit crazy no matter how this your revenue stream is. The Yanks were fortunate enought to find a taker at the right price and it enabled them to go out and sign Eric Chavez (yippee!). If their is a problem with baseball’s economic model (and I believe their is), it is allowing unchecked spending by a select few teams that makes smaller market teams question their ability to re-sign homegrown players before they even reach arbitration.

by KentuckyPirate on Feb 20, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I thought the same thing as I trudged thru this atrocity

He laments the fact that the Yankees affect the free agent market in a severe way, yet are able to continue without feeling the effects of said bad contract to AJ.

The way you fix the issue he laments is not to veto trades that help both sides (because then everyone completely misses the point and think that Selig hates the Yankees/Pittsburgh/baseball in general), but to fix the economic system that Selig, the Players Union and the MLB in general has so vehemently fought to protect over the years.

In other words, you’re attempting to beat a dead horse with a new weapon – a ridiculous argument that uses a new development that has headlines to garner attention. It’s not going to happen, so this article, and the argument contained within it, are worthless.

by mattygabe on Feb 21, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

And really,

the article completely misses the point that if the Commissioner hates the fact that the contract changed the dynamics of the free agent market, then he should have veto’ed the contract when it was signed at the beginning, not now. Using this trade to make that point is just ass backwards, and the only thing it has over the Commish vetoing it at the time of signing was the benefit of hindsight. Even then, it uses a subjective valuation of Burnett in relation to his contract, which I think the Commissioner would have a hard time making a solid case for in either situation.

Why have I wasted time and brain cycles thinking about this article today. I feel like the author just fist pumped once after realizing he tricked me into thinking about it. Damnit.

by mattygabe on Feb 21, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

With this and the draft news

it’s like everyone is trying to annoy the living **** outta me. I need to get off the Internet.

by bosten7 on Feb 20, 2012 2:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I feel so used.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 20, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Kinda wish they’d use me more.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Feb 20, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, it says the Yankees manipulated Pirates fans.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Feb 20, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Still

Wish there was more of this kind of manipulation in the world.

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by glass0941 on Feb 20, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yo, Yankees:

Manipulate THIS, ya filthy bastahds.

by bucdaddy on Feb 20, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

wait, what

how did they manipulate us

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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 20, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

They fooled us into thinking we had a shitty team that hasn’t won anything in a generation and therefore needs somebody who has a clue how to pitch in the majors.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Feb 20, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Cerainly took the long way around to get to the point,

but a lot of it was true.The whole baseball economics resemble the recent banking bust that nearly wiped out our economy. These safety nets continue to to allow big spenders to gamble big on marginal players yet never face the full consequences. when the gamble doesn’t pay off. Meanwhile they have artificially inflated the market for the rest of the teams, most of which are operating responsibly. Cashman was on MLB radio today talking about all the money they were saving in this trade. Including the huge savings they would receive from a luxury tax break by getting that contract off their books.The money they got back from the Bucs was just gravy.The fans will eventually get to the point where they can no longer carry the financial burden to keep this going. Maybe he’s right. Maybe Cashman needs to swallow some of his own medicine. Not in this case though. I’m thrilled AJ is here.

by no1hedberg on Feb 21, 2012 3:51 AM EST reply actions  

An idea that might be fun to deal with this kind of "unloading an overpaid player to somebody else" move

is for the Commissioner to officially consider, at his discretion, that the salaries of the players involved remain on the payroll of their original team. If he thinks a trade is purely a salary dump by a team wishing to go under the luxury tax threshold, the trade is completed, each team pays whatever was negotiated, BUT each team is still responsible for the contracts signed.

In our case, the Pirates get Burnett and pay $13M over 2 years, the Yankees get 2 prospects, pay the $20M remaining on Burnett’s contract, but their official payroll still includes the whole $33M.

We’re talking about Selig so it will never happen, but it doesn’t mean we can’t have some fun !?

by From France on Feb 21, 2012 4:42 AM EST up reply actions  

or just have the cash that Team A (Yankees) is kicking in counts towards their cap, evenly distributed over the remaining contract length. So NY would only be saving $6.5m per year instead of $16m.

by Mr. E on Feb 21, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

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