"Total speculation: I wonder if a Garrett Jones/A.J. Burnett swap might make sense, with the Yankees eating about 90 percent of owed Burnett."
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i could as well
though some reports are saying the yanks were only willing to eat $8M of his $33M salary.
then they'll eat the whole thing
That leaves Burnett costing over $20 million more than Jones. He’s not worth $20 million more.
Jones for Burnett + $8 million + Dellin Betances might be a fair trade, and I’m not joking at all.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 8, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
right
the amount of salary that was changing hands is what gave me pause.
Jones for Burnett + $8 million + Dellin Betances might be a fair trade, and I’m not joking at all.
Honestly, I wouldn’t take that. I don’t like Betances that much.
Why not?
Control issues? Think he’s slated for the pen? Both? I think those are the two major complaints against Betances.
his walk totals in upper levels are really dreadful
but I could see a GFJ for Burnett (yanks pay half) and Detances swap
His BB numbers are bad, yes
But even with really bad BB numbers, he’ s still 2:1 K/BB. Which shows he’s got tremendous stuff…I’d take that, Burnett, and 8 mill. Bucs aren’t giving up a centerpiece in Jones.
fair enough
I mean, I was just taking something like just under 4 wins of surplus value, translating that into the Victor Wang prospect scale, knocking that down a bit, and looking for a Yankees prospect who was about in that range according to some folks.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 8, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think when looking at this
you have to think like the Yankees would (since thats MUCH different than an organization like the Bucs). Jones would likely play a small part for them…they have Swisher and Texeira getting the lion’s share of starts in RF and 1B, so Jones would be a DH, and against righties only. I highly doubt they’d think that they’d trade Burnett, one of their better prospects and 20 mill just for Jones…
well, I don't think anyone thinks that trade proposal is happening
I’m just saying that if the Yankees wanted to have the Pirates take $25M of Burnett’s salary and they wanted a player back for him, they’d need to send over a nice prospect as well. From the Pirates’ perspective, they’d be giving up their primary first baseman (the fat half of the platoon, anyway) and taking on a lot of salary they couldn’t afford super well. I think there’s no way NH does that.
All this is probably moot, because as I said it seems more likely that the Yanks were talking about paying all but $8M of Burnett’s salary, rather than only paying $8M. (Aside: These are large sums of money. Even disappointing major league players are very good at what they do and are compensated handsomely, by most people’s standards.)
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 8, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
looking at the quote
it may be that the Yanks are willing to eat all but $8M of his salary. That would be much more sensible.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 8, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Probably not.
They’re looking for a lefty 1B/OF/DH bat (e.g. Damon, Ibanez, Matsui), and Branyan is a righty.
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How about Jones for Hughes straight up?
I know the rumor is Burnett, but I’ve seen that they may have to settle on moving Hughes.
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I'd love it
but they won’t do it. I think they’re kind of looking at this year as a major make-or-break year for Hughes. He showed a lot of promise in his first full year as a starter in 2010 before he wore down and in 2011 he was hurt quite a bit. Jones is strictly a platoon player and I don’t see the Yanks as trading a potential solid young starter for one of those.
I'd really love to see that.
worth a 2 year gamble there.
if this trade were to happen, watch and see…i can just see it now. Jose Bautista 2.0…. a majority of pirate fans would be happy to see him gone (granted, if its a good return) due to his streakyness in a pirate uniform and his inability to hit left handed pitching. but then he’ll end up putting up great numbers with the yanks (see Bautista, Jose in toronto) and people will then tack him onto the list of the “Pirates trading away players once they get good” just like they catagorize Bautista nowadays. personally, I don’t think Jones’ potential has been tapped into completely and this would be pretty much giving up on his development as a power hitter. but thats just me
between you and me, Mr. E...
would you swap Jones for Burnett? get the decent SP and try to patch 1B… or keep Jones
and still have to patch 1B and hope Lincoln comes through?
I'd give D. Lee one last call
If he says what I think he’ll say and even assuming the $$ is right I’d probably decline for Jones, because I believe in the pitching depth more than 2/3 of Pedro/Mcgehee/Evans being good this year. Also, Burnett always struck me as a guy who relied more on stuff, and being 35, his FB isn’t what it used to be.
"I'd give D. Lee one last call"
…only if NH has unlimited minutes on his plan. Otherwise, it’s not even worth the dime for the call. He’s not coming back.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Feb 8, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Does he really hate the game that much?
That he’d just walk away rather than make a couple million dollars?
He has to walk away sometime
Maybe he’d rather do it on his own terms.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Feb 9, 2012 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
No,
he specifically doesn’t want to play for the Pirates.
From what I’ve read, he’s holding out for about 3-4 teams to offer him something.
I hope like hell he signs somewhere – we could use the pick.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Feb 11, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
No way
If we clear some of their salary, we give them nothing.
I say scrub prospect and we pay 12 million over 2.
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