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If you have any doubt about the Pirates being the most hopeless franchise in baseball, check out this list of major transactions made by Devil Rays GM Andrew Friedman since last October. Since then, Friedman has received the following players:

Joel Guzman - Young, high-upside hitting prospect from the Dodgers.
Dioner Navarro - 22-year-old catcher who has already played parts of three big-league seasons.
Justin Ruggiano, Sergio Pedroza - Interesting hitting prospects.
Mitch Talbot, Chuck Tiffany, Edwin Jackson - interesting pitching prospects.
Ben Zobrist - potential big-league utility infielder.

In return, the Rays gave up:

Mark Hendrickson, Danys Baez, Lance Carter - mediocre (or worse) pitchers.
Aubrey Huff, Julio Lugo - rentals.
Toby Hall - mediocre catcher.

Compare all that to Dave Littlefield's trading activity since then.

-Traded Bobby Hill for Clayton Hamilton. Neither player is going anywhere.
-Traded Dave Williams for Sean Casey and most of his contract. That didn't help.
-Traded Mark Redman for Jonah Bayliss and Chad Blackwell.
-Traded Rob Mackowiak for Damaso Marte.
-Traded Kip Wells for Jesse Chavez.
-Traded Craig Wilson for Shawn Chacon.
-Traded Roberto Hernandez and Oliver Perez for Xavier Nady.
-Traded Casey for Brian Rogers.

For all the trades the Bucs made, they got four players who might conceivably help them in a couple years. Three are relievers, and one of those (Marte) is an old reliever. The fourth is Nady, who is older and has less upside than one of the players he was traded for. In fact, the Pirates probably gave up at least as much in trades as the Rays did for all the prospects they got.

Now take a look at the Rays' farm system and the Pirates'.

John Sickels:

The Devil Rays in One Sentence: This system is very strong.
The Pirates System in One Sentence: A thin system that lacks impact talent as well as depth.

Obviously, the Rays are also drafting better than the Pirates, but a good portion of the strength of the Rays' system also comes from the talent they've acquired in trades in the past year. The Rays are a bad team, but at least they can legitimately claim they're trying to do something to improve their future. Friedman shows that a team that's really trying can improve its organizational depth a whole lot in just a year.

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Sickels
Does the fact that Sickels' "one sentence" about the Pirates' system wasn't even a complete sentence say anything about our hapless franchise?
It's A New Pirates Generation, everybody shout "Let's Go Bucs!"

by Cory on Jan 12, 2007 1:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No verb
Verbs imply action.  The Pirates don't rate a verb.

by WTM on Jan 12, 2007 2:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Other stuff
The best part is that the Pirates and Devil Rays aren't drafting from spots that far apart.

by Greg Schuler on Jan 12, 2007 9:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Charlie
I've got nothing to add but I appreciate you bringing this perspective.
azibuck

by azibuck on Jan 12, 2007 3:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sickles is a minor league whiz, but...
I think he'd be the first to admit he really doesn't follow the Bucs the way he does with Minnesota, Kansas City or any of the mid-west minor league towns. Unfortunately, there isn't a whole heck of a lot to follow right now with the Pirates, but that's because the team is already in Pittsburgh.

by JimBibbySweat on Jan 12, 2007 4:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Another pickup TB made...
Here's another reason why Tampa knows what they're doing and the Pirates don't.  They made an under-the radar pickup who has this average seasonal line in parts of five ML seasons.

AB  R  H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO   AVG  OBP  SLG OPS  
408 58 98 24 1 18 54  63 117 .240 .349 .437 .786

He's only 27, and was once one of the top left-handed power-hitting prospects in the minors.  His name is Hee Sop Choi.

Now, is he the answer to the Pirates' problems?  Probably not - but TB now has him for next to nothing.  Wouldn't he be a nice Spring tryout?  Or, this guy, another lefty hitter who hasn't yet signed with a team:

AB  R  H  2B 3B HR RBI BB SO  AVG  OBP  SLG  OPS
538 73 131 24 5 27 78 67 160 .243 .331 .459 .790

Carlos Pena is only 28, still thought to be a good fielder (although BP metrics say otherwise) and could really hit in PNC.

Okay, why aren't they in camp?  They strike out too much, and don't fit somebody's idea of the right kind of player.  Or, maybe DL's sights are so set on this "one guy" - LaRoche - that he can't see there are at least other things you could do in the meantime.

Write it down: Put either of these two in the lineup for a whole year (sitting them against lefties) and they will be a major, cheap upgrade to what's there now.  

by dank on Jan 13, 2007 9:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting thing about the HSC deal
The Rays gave him a Minor League deal with an interesting clause.

If he makes the team, which is a possibility, he gets 2 MIL over the 2 Years.

However, if he fails to make the team, he gets a smaller salary.

Great thing is, we have him under contract for 2 years.

by Red Eyed Jake on Jan 14, 2007 8:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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