Perrotto: John Russell May be New Manager
Russell, 46, who was on the Pirates staff in 2003-05, is currently the manager of Philadelphia's Class AAA Lehigh Valley farm club.
Boston pitching coach John Farrell was considered the favorite to replace Jim Tracy, who was fired on Oct. 5.
However, Farrell said Friday that he decided not to interview with the Pirates.
"I just decided that what's best for me right now is to remain with the Red Sox," said Farrell, who just finished his first season in Boston and helped the Red Sox win the World Series.
There's no quote in support of Perrotto's speculations about Russell, and Perrotto tends not to be the world's most reliable reporter, so take this with a grain of salt for now. We'll see whether it gets confirmed.
Personally, this would surprise me a little bit, if only because I wouldn't think Frank Coonelly and Neal Huntington would want to hire someone with ties to the old regime. Also, there's this:
"You manage with what you had. We were not a big power hitting team, so pitching and defense was obviously the key, and that's key with any team," Russell said. "We had to create runs. We had to hit and run, try to move guys over when we could. We took advantage of any scoring opportunities. We then pitched, played defense and hung on."
Granted, we don't know a whole lot yet about Huntington's approach to the game, but that just doesn't sound consistent with what Huntington says in a Q+A today:
That said, we will continue to stress the importance of our subjective evaluations. Succinctly stated, we believe that a combination of quality objective and subjective analysis will allow us to maximize our probability of success and to make the best possible decisions.
Now, it's likely that any GM today could rattle off a list of fancy statistics whether or not he actually cared about them, but the fact that Huntington volunteered so much specific information indicates to me that he probably does care, at least to some degree. And if he actually understands VORP and Probabilistic Model of Range, he's got to know that the managerial approach Russell's advancing is not a very good one.
By the way, if you're curious about Russell's performance with Scranton in 2006, both the team's runs scored and its OPS were a hair beneath league average. They didn't win because they bunted and hit and ran - they did exactly what their OPS predicted they would. And the Toledo Mud Hens, who won the International League championship, finished second in the league in runs scored, led by our own Josh Phelps.
UPDATE: WTM in the comments:
The fact is that every manager is concerned, or should be concerned, about "fundamentals." So a managerial candidate saying he's into fundamentals, or "[taking] advantage of scoring opportunities," really should be like a new CEO telling her stockholders that she's interested in making money. Well, duh. (On second thought, maybe new CEOs really do say things like that. I don't know.)
But that's not what "pitching, defense and basic fundamentals" actually means. Usually, what it means is "I understand this game and I don't need you statheads giving me a bunch of crap about drawing walks. And I know what a good defender looks like, so I don't want to hear about UZR." It's very likely to be a pronouncement of ignorance, more than anything else. Perhaps I'm reacting too strongly, and I realize that Russell didn't actually use the word "fundamentals." But it's also pretty clear that the author's summary using that word describes what Russell was saying pretty well. I'm wary of anyone who talks like that, because when someone invokes "pitching, defense and basic fundamentals," it's usually a code for what they reject, not what they affirm.
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pitching, defense and basic fundamentals
by WTM on Nov 2, 2007 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Disagree, a little
by azibuck on Nov 2, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True.
by Charlie on Nov 2, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coonelly has already talked about implementing...
by steve_z on Nov 2, 2007 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
As far as whatever Russell says - he'll make the Pirates hustle and take infield before games. And the media and fans will appreciate that - it looks better. But in reality, unless Neal and Frank are going to flood the team with talent in 2008, Russell has to stand on the dugout step resolutely, answer questions after the game with resolve and clap his hands, slap some ass and little else.
by Greg Schuler on Nov 6, 2007 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WTM has already noted that...
McClatchy and Littlefield loused up the organization that it will take a while before talent makes it to the majors from the minors. I've resigned myself to the Pirates setting a new futility standard in professional sports. The issue, to my mind, is whether or not the Pirates reach the 20 season losing record mark....
I'd be shocked to the point of suffering a heart attack if the Pirates were to spend big money on free agents this winter.
by steve_z on Nov 6, 2007 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with Wilbur
It starts at the top - if that doesn't change, it won't matter who continues the string from Lamont to McClendon to Tracy to Russell.
by Greg Schuler on Nov 6, 2007 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have great confidence in the Nuttings....
by steve_z on Nov 7, 2007 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
could someone please tell me
by KPatrick on Nov 2, 2007 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I certainly...
Perrotto's articles at the BCT disappear behind a pay wall, so I can't point to those. But look at this one at Baseball Prospectus, from this May. A link to it is the subject of the first article that comes up if you google "perrotto 'trade rumors,'" so it's not like I cherry picked it.
He does a little rumor roundup at the end. Here's a complete list of the things in that list that can now be verified, or not:
-The Twins would trade Jesse Crain, Juan Rincon or Scott Baker for a hitter. That didn't happen.
-That the Orioles were interested in trading for Odalis Perez or Chan Ho Park. Didn't happen.
-John Gibbons was safe as manager of the Jays until the end of the season. Did happen, but he wasn't exactly going out on a limb there.
-Eulogio de la Cruz could become the Tigers' top set-up guy. Didn't happen.
-Jorge Julio could become the Marlins' closer. Didn't happen.
-The Padres were "ready" to send Kevin Kouzmanoff to the minors. Didn't happen.
That's it. Thanks for the rumors! I'm sure he had sources for all of them, but nothing happened.
Also, scooping Paul Meyer on a story is like, oh I don't know, outscoring Jim Tracy on an IQ test. And Perrotto didn't even get the story right. He published the Huntington story, then took it back and said that Huntington had, in fact, not won the job.
by Charlie on Nov 2, 2007 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair points...
I'd like to know a bit about what went on behind the scenes after Perotto broke the Huntington story. That became a veritable maelstrom of ass-covering by everyone involved within about 5 minutes.
by KPatrick on Nov 3, 2007 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
extrapolaiton
by KPatrick on Nov 2, 2007 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chuck Tanner
by Crosbyfan87 on Nov 2, 2007 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone can correct me if I am wrong
Just looking at his bio on the Ottawa Lynx home page:
Managerial Highlights:
2006 Manager, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Red Barons (Class Triple-A, International League) 84-58: IL North Champions
2002 Manager, Edmonton Trappers (Class Triple-A, Pacific Coast League) 81-59: PCL Champions
2001 Manager, Edmonton Trappers (Class Triple-A, Pacific Coast League) 60-83
2000 Manager, New Britain Rock Cats (Class Double-A, Eastern League) 51-91
1999 Manager, New Britain Rock Cats (Class Double-A, Eastern League) 59-82
1998 Manager, New Britain Rock Cats (Class Double-A, Eastern League) 83-59: Northern Division Champions
1997 Manager, Fort Myers Miracle (Class A Advanced, Florida State League) 81-58
1996 Manager, Fort Myers Miracle (Class A Advanced, Florida State League) 79-58
1995 Manager, Elizabethtown Twins (Class A, Appalacian League) 33-31
Awards and Achievements:
2006 International League Manager of the Year
2002 Minor League Manager of the Year
2002 Baseball America "Best Managerial Prospect"
1998 Baseball America Eastern League "Top Managerial Prospect"
Don't know how that would transfer to the current situation, but he's obviously had some success with younger players in the past.
by Thunder on Nov 2, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heir(s) Apparent
Of course, I was obviously wrong...
by KPatrick on Nov 3, 2007 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't read it that way
Sometimes, guys, there's really nothing below the surface.
by bucdaddy on Nov 3, 2007 1:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What about Huntington's follow-up answer...
by Atomic FireBall on Nov 3, 2007 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Russell
Yankees first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz offers an unsolicited endorsement of Phillies Class AAA manager John Russell as a candidate for the Royals and other clubs. "The only other guy I've seen use a bullpen like he does is Tom Kelly," says Mientkiewicz, who played for Russell twice in the Twins' Instructional League and also at Class A and AA. Russell also draws high marks from others, but some wonder whether he might be too quiet to handle the day-to-day media demands with a big-market club.
by bolton on Nov 3, 2007 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank God DL's gone
by bucdaddy on Nov 3, 2007 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess it's Russell
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7405426
by Brian M on Nov 3, 2007 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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