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News Roundup: Pirates Look for Nady Deal

-P- Some interesting tidbits from the Post-Gazette: First, the Pirates may trade Xavier Nady, which comes as no surprise. The shock is that, if they can't deal him, they may non-tender him before the deadline on December 12. Now, I'm no fan of Nady, and I'm interested in any move that clears the way for Steve Pearce to start, but I'm still a little baffled by this news. Nady surely wouldn't make much more than $4 million next year, and that's a reasonable amount to pay for what he offers. Surely they can find a trading partner, and if not, they can hope to find one at the deadline. And even if they're set on Pearce as a starter (which would be a good sign - I'd say Pearce is about even money to outhit Nady next year anyway), Nady can be perfectly useful as a spot starter, especially since Jason Bay is fragile and Adam LaRoche can't hit in April or May. In other words, I see no reason to non-tender Nady except to cut costs. And if the Bucs are going to play that game again, I'm not sure I want to watch.

Also, the Post-Gazette reports that GM Neal Huntington isn't "looking for immediate upgrades to his everyday eight," and it also sounds from the article like he still sees Ronny Paulino as the Bucs' starting catcher and Ryan Doumit as the backup (this is confirmed in the interview linked in the next paragraph). I can't fault the Pirates for not trusting the fragile Doumit with the starting job, and there are good PR reasons for the Pirates to express confidence in the players they already have (to not appear to desperate in trades, and to protect the egos of Paulino and company). But still, this is the sort of news that makes me dread the possibility that Huntington might actually be Littlefield Part II.

-P- Here's a hint that he won't be, though. Here's a long-form interview with Huntington, which is nice to see because it means we have to guess a lot less than we do with a couple of short quotes in a Post-Gazette article.

Unfortunately, some of this interview consists of the sorts of frustrating non-answers you expect from big-league GMs. (My favorite little tautological dodge is "If someone has aptitude, we can teach him." In other news, if someone has appetite, he is hungry.) But Huntington does let on that the Pirates have hired a "statistical consultant," and it does seem like he's pretty serious about both statistics and scouting and at least has an idea of how to incoporate both in an intelligent way:

In a perfect world, the data provides one perspective, and the evaluators provide another. We will balance and blend the perspectives to make an optimal assessment of value. I place a lot of value in numbers, but there are some things that can't be quantified, and there are times scouting reports are needed to understand the elements behind the numbers. For instance, you could be looking at a pitcher in A-ball with high strikeouts and low walks. This pitcher features an 82 mph fastball which leads to frequent contact (low walks) but also has a decent changeup and a big-breaking curveball that he uses as a chase pitch to get a lot of strikeouts in A-ball. A scout is likely to recognize that while Low-A hitters will chase the breaking pitch out of the zone, hitters at the higher levels--especially in the major leagues--won't chase and will make him throw his soft fastball over the plate where it is likely to get hit hard. The scout's observations will confirm that the strikeout numbers at the lower levels are an exploitation of immature hitters and likely will not translate as the player progresses toward the big leagues. When scouting amateur players, there are key statistical indicators that have to be weighed more subjectively because of the level of competition. We want the data, because it will tell us something, but we also want the scouting reports to augment that data.

Later, Huntington writes:

The quick fixes that have been taken in the past--that you see happen around the league with some teams--are not something we'll be interested in here. Free agent signings that make a small, incremental difference in on-field performance don't have much of an impact on wins. Those decisions are decisions we need to try and avoid, especially when they come at the expense of money that could have been better utilized in player acquisition and development.

That seems like a possible argument for non-tendering Nady. In general, I agree with Huntington about not paying for marginal upgrades, but in Nady's case, the Pirates have the opportunity to control a player for a lot less than he'd cost on the open market. They should take advantage of that, in my opinion. (UPDATE: As I was typing this, the Post-Gazette reported that the Pirates have denied they're considering non-tendering Nady.)

-P- The Bucs hired Red Sox minor league coach Lou Frazier to coach first base for them.

-P- I can't believe I wasn't around a computer for the most perplexing trade in at least a year, a trade that's so weird on so many levels that it's even more surprising than Pitt knocking off WVU. The Mets dealt top outfield prospect Lastings Milledge for catcher Brian Schneider and outfielder Ryan Church.

Now, Milledge's name has been mentioned in nearly every Mets trade rumor for the last four years or so, but until now, New York GM Omar Minaya has held onto him, despite surely receiving about a thousand offers more enticing than this one. It's especially strange that Schneider is in the middle of this deal. Since 2005 his hitting has become practically Kendallesque, as he has slugged .329 and .336 in the last two seasons. No amount of good defense can make up for that sort of hitting, and just weeks ago the Mets acquired Johnny Estrada and re-signed Ramon Castro, and both those catchers are much better hitters than Schneider. The Mets also nearly signed Yorvit Torrealba a few weeks ago; Minaya's acting like a robot that's only programmed to acquire mediocre catchers. I've always liked Church and thought he deserved more playing time than he got from the Nats, but he's already 29. He's a little like Nady - a decent enough stopgap, but not anything special. Milledge, meanwhile, has a well-earned reputation for being a jerk, but he's still got loads of star potential.

Nationals GM Jim Bowden has now pulled off two of these crazily one-sided trades - this one and the Austin Kearns deal. It makes me wonder how he's found two of these sorts of deals and Dave Littlefield never found any despite plenty of attempts. Maybe Bowden knows how to pick his spots; maybe he's just lucky. In any case, though, he deserves some credit - this isn't the same guy who gave Cristian Guzman a ridiculous four-year contract immediately after becoming GM. In fact, Bowden's been making good decisions for a couple of years now.

(By the way, thanks to Econolodge for posting this in the diaries.)

-P- The Astros signed Kaz Matsui to a three-year, $16.5 million deal. While this is about the contract I expected Matsui would get, this is exactly the sort of  uninspired move that new Astros GM Ed Wade seems to specialize in. Really, are the Astros going to contend next year? And really, is Matsui that much better than the cheaper, younger Chris Burke? Yes, Burke stunk last year, but he's 27 and his career OPS+ is 80; Matsui's 32, and his career OPS+ is 82.

-P- I'm back in California, finally, so updates should be more regular now. Thanks for your patience.

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Huntington
He sounds very intelligent in his Baseball Prospectuc interview with David Lauria. But let's see what he does between the Winter Meetings and March 31. Talk is cheap as we all know well by now.

by thegunner on Dec 3, 2007 12:21 AM EST   0 recs

Gaaaaah
The sorry thing is, Pitt is a terrible team that (except for McCoy) played a bad game, and still WVU managed to play even worse. (Don't tell me about Pitt's great defense; these were, I presume, the same guys who got torched for 48 points by USF the week before, the same guys who lost to Navy.) I don't know how it's possible for an entire team to choke all at once, but that sure looks like what WVU did. One of the great gags of all time.

BTW, I watched a little of that Pitt-USF game and saw Pitt get called for holding on three consecutive offensive plays. I can't recall ever seeing that before. Any of you?

And as long as I'm not talking baseball ... is FOXJ touring/coming to Motown over Christmas, Charlie?

by bucdaddy on Dec 3, 2007 10:01 AM EST   0 recs

Do you watch football?
Doesn't sound like you do.  Pitt's defense really stepped it up and played ridiculous.  They were a bad team this year but managed to pull off something great at the end--the players on that defense deserve some credit.

Several guys on d were absolutely flying around the field and making a ton of plays (i.e. Eric Thatcher, Scott McKillop, Joe Clermond, Mick Williams, Adam Gunn, Jovanni Chappel, the list goes on)

by The New Guy on Dec 3, 2007 12:26 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

A little
What I saw was that WVU ran, like, 10 plays the entire second half, and dropped the ball on about half of them, so I don't know that it was Pitt's defense so much as it was WVU just self-destructing, but I'm going with the latter. I do acknowledge Slaton got next to nothing -- Mr. Heisman hype is getting good at that -- so Pitt evidently zeroed in on him and did a good job there.

But I was baffled by WVU's refusal to try anything out of the ordinary. Rodriguez used to run all kinds of cool gimmick plays, flanker reverses and double reverse passes and the like, if my memory serves me right, with less talented players than he has now. But it seemed like he just insisted on banging away with the same stuff that wasn't working.

That sequence late in the game after the kickoff return to the Pitt 32 was a prime example. Pitt should have been on its heels there, the crowd going nuts, it would have been the perfect time to throw a change-up. But no. Four more or less standard runs for nine yards. Maybe they were victims of their own success all year, thinking that if they just kept doing what they were doing somebody would break loose. I dunno. I'm not saying Pitt's D had NOTHING to do with it, but in the overall picture that's just not a very good defense, as recently as seven days before, and there was no excuse, other than gagging, for WVU to put up a crummy seven points on it.

I'll give Pitt this much: After they played a terrible first half offensively and found themselves still down by only four, you could almost visibly see the confidence build every time McCoy pounded for another first down in the second half. That's about the time I thought, oh crap, this is big trouble. Good teams that let bad teams stay in the game that long are just asking for it.

by bucdaddy on Dec 3, 2007 2:24 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

well
"Rodriguez used to run all kinds of cool gimmick plays, flanker reverses and double reverse passes and the like,"

he tried a couple of those in the first half, didn't work at all

"not a very good defense, as recently as seven days before"

Bostick alone accounted for 21 of USFs points and Pitt's defense had a short field that whole game

"That sequence late in the game"

WVU has been KILLING teams all year doing exactly what they did on that sequence.  Scott McKillop tossed off the lead blocker, ruined Pat White's read, and cut Slaton down of fourth down for a beautiful stop.

by The New Guy on Dec 4, 2007 7:22 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yep.
January 4, at 123 Pleasant.

by Charlie on Dec 3, 2007 1:05 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Outstanding Statistical Consultant
Any word on the "outstanding statistical consultant"   Huntington mentioned in the BP interview?  I'm curious to see if the Bucs finally have their own Paul DePdesta on staff.  Perhaps if Brain O'Neill disappears we will have our answer.

by Mojo on Dec 3, 2007 10:49 AM EST   0 recs

Snell/Sanchez
Does anyone know after what season they will become free agents? Rotoworld says the bucos are considering trading them.

by bucofanNY on Dec 3, 2007 11:03 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Sanchez after 2009...
Snell after 2011, I think.

by Charlie on Dec 3, 2007 1:07 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Sanchez
Well in that case I think the bucos need to keep them around. Especially Snell if he can be here for another 4 seasons. Freddy plays real hard and is exactly the kind of player you need to start building a winning attitude.

by bucofanNY on Dec 3, 2007 2:58 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

For all your player contract needs:
MLB4U.com. The individual player pages have pretty good contact info, or you can search by free agent class.

by Vlad on Dec 3, 2007 2:08 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

HOF
The Veterans' Committee just voted in ex-Pirate owner Barney Dreyfuss (along with some other guys).

Danny Murtaugh was also on the ballot, but he didn't make the cut this time.

by Vlad on Dec 3, 2007 2:06 PM EST   0 recs

Aw, crap.
The Trib has linked to Jamey Carroll, speculating that we might send a reliever to Colorado for Carroll, some money, and a prospect.

Carroll is awful with the bat. He can defend pretty well, but it'd be just as easy to shake the glove tree and use a minimum-salary vet from the minors, if we want to add someone of that type.

by Vlad on Dec 3, 2007 3:35 PM EST   0 recs

I wouldn't worry about it.
Smells like speculation, and bad speculation, to me. You'd have to think Huntington was an idiot to do something like that.

by Charlie on Dec 3, 2007 3:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Milledge / Nady
As soon as I read about the Milledge deal I told my friend "Why didn't they call me? I'd tell them I'd take Milledge for Nady and Paulino in a heartbeat."

by ugarte on Dec 3, 2007 4:01 PM EST   0 recs

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