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My thoughts from the protest.

  1. More than anything else, it seemed like people were looking for a leader.  I noticed a larger than normal group up and move after the 2nd, and lots of people seemed like they were wondering whether they should leave at the beginning or end of the 3rd.  I was in right, and noticed many, many, many green shirts that ended up not leaving.  I thought to myself "God, if everyone wearing green in this stadium gets up, we'd be in good shape"  Buster Olney called it "poorly organized", and I tend to agree, not to knock the guys who planned it, though.
  2.  I know this is sad, but I ended up not getting up.  The few in my section that got up were quickly met with signs protesting the protesters.  But the thing that influenced me to stay the most is that I wanted to see exactly what was going to happen.  I had a perfect view of the entire park, and I wanted to see what was going to go down.  
  3. I think the thing that hurt the protest the most was the Pirates getting out to a lead.  A big lead.  People were happy.  If it was 4-0 Nats after 3, things may have turned out better (for the protesters).  I noticed A LOT of people in green shirts, even the ones they gave away, staying put.  I guess it was more of an "Ehhhhh...People aren't getting up....I've got my sandwich....We're winning....screw it".
  4. I really agree with Charlie.  It seems as if the Nuttings have now built a gerneration of Zombie fans if you will.  I was sitting behind a typical pony tailed, uneducated yinzr, who sat there and kept saying "I....I love the Pirates....I'm gonna support them no matter what".  Perhaps the style of protest was the biggest problem.  It was perceived by many as a walkout on the team, not the ownership.  I think many of us here are suprised at the lack of participation, because we feel so strongly about it.  We read into the moves as messages from ownership.  The average fan doesn't, whether we like it or not.  Is it sad that the mean Pirate IQ around here has plummeted? Yes, but the next time the die hards try to pull something like this off, there needs to be better information provided.  Hand out pamphlets at the entrances or something.  The media was a big help, but they are obligated to present both sides of a story.  If protester propaganda was created, maybe more people would have understood.
  5. The initial response seems to be that this was a failure, but I really think it succeeded.  ESPN covered it.  Thats a victory in itself.  Part of me wonders if the Yankees were watching.  They effectively pay our players now, and I think the Pirates BEST shot would be the big city owners coming after Bob and Kevin.  Someone in a big city is gonna notice what is happening to their revenue sharing money, and they'll be pissed.  And God knows the Big Boy owners get what they want.

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Bingo. That there was really the whole point. We aren't/weren't going to convince the Nuttings or the Firework Fans of anything, and didn't really expect to. We needed ESPN to show the Steinbrenners and the Henrys and whoeverthehellleadstheMLBPAthesedays that the Nuttings are now having trouble keeping their little secret a secret. And that a meaningful portion of the fan base as noticed and is pissed. That the system is broken and something needs done about it.

by matskralc on Jul 1, 2007 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

And still I wonder
I can't for the life of me get into the heads of the people who held up counter-protest signs and people who booed the protesters.  The best anyone should feel towards ownership is indifference.  No sentient being should be supporting them for any reason beyond that they aren't pushing wheelchair-bound people down the escalators.

by KPatrick on Jul 1, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

A lot of people
Really honestly believe that the Nuttings are trying really really hard but it's the Yankees' fault that poor little small-market Bobby N. can't afford to buy good players.

by matskralc on Jul 1, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is It?
Steinbrenner hands them 30 milllion, and Nutting uses it to pay his players, and thats it.  The rest is pure profit for him.  Its a very good deal, the Yankees pay our players, and end up LOSING money, while Bob sits watching his weath grow.

Baseballs flawed economics hurt the Pirates, sure, but they're also hurting to top level teams like the Yanks and Red Sox.  Eventually, someone will get mad.

by For The Glory 1855 on Jul 1, 2007 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Steinbrenner
has pretty much come to accept the fact that some owners are turning a profit solely from the success of the Yankees and other teams with high payrolls. A couple of years he talked about it, but I haven't heard anything in a while. Age has caught up to him and he doesn't have the kind of fire he used to and I'm guessing he doesn't have the kind of fire it would take to truly take the Nuttings and other cheap owners to task for what they are doing.

by BenM on Jul 1, 2007 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent Points
#3 - I agree that this definitely had an impact.  If the score was reversed it's much more likely that the numbers who got up would have been much higher.  As fair-weather and fickle as some Pittsburghers are, people who didn't even plan on getting up going into the game would have done it, just because it was "the thing to do" at that time.  Sheep mentality.

#4 - In listening to the Nightly Sports Call and the like, the main problem is that there are a lot of idiot fans who JUST DIDN'T GET IT.  They viewed the walkout/protest as a slap in the face to the players and as not supporting your baseball team.  I thought the message/intent of the protest was made pretty clear, but obviously it was not made clear enough to Joe Average Fan.  The protest was against the ownership and their (mis)management of the franchise, not against the players.  I think this just reaffirms that many of the "fans" that go to the ballpark don't follow the MLB draft, don't follow MLB finances, and don't follow other teams.  They just know the guys on the roster and like the way Jack Wilson hustles.  They have no concept of the grass being greener on the other side of the fence, because they don't even know there IS another side of the fence.  Sad.

#5 - I think that all things considered, the protest was a success.  It got a ton of local coverage, and the fact that national writers and TV programs even mentioned it was a victory.  As I've maintained, the end-game of protesting isn't to suddenly give the Nuttings a conscience and desire to win -- the goal is to draw attention to the situation, particulary by politicians and large-market MLB teams.  Trust me, if the protest voice continues to squeak there will be politicians who take notice and try to take advantage of the issue (for their own gain, of course).  

The most important thing is for the efforts to continue.  It will take some patience.  I hope the organizers don't give up.

by OmarMoreno18 on Jul 2, 2007 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

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