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What I Know About This Team

1. This team has no plan. And if this team has a plan, it isn't working. As a result, it's hard to decide what to do with this team. I've written before about how most of the offense will be able to depart after the 2009 season. So do you push in all your chips in preparation for 2009, when most of the best hitters (oxymoronic? sure) will leave as free agents, but most of the best pitchers will still be around for a couple years? Or do you rebuild again?

2. The Pirates' major-league performance has been worse than expected, but its minor-league system has done better than expected. Jason Bay, Adam LaRoche, Ronny Paulino, Tony Armas and Zach Duke have all been worse than expected. Only Tom Gorzelanny, Ian Snell and The Pitcher Formerly Known As "B.P." have been much better than expected. I thought the Pirates would be a bad team, capable of 72 wins or so; instead, they're a terrible one, and they'll have to play .500 ball the rest of the way just to reach 72.

At the minor-league level, though, Steve Pearce has been great, Neil Walker, Jamie Romak and Brian Bixler have been good, Jason Delaney has emerged as a legitimate prospect, and the only serious disappointment has been Andrew McCutchen.

These guys are all hitters and most of them are in the high minors, which is interesting, because they force the question of whether 2010 and 2011 will really be so bleak after all. The Pirates will still have all their best starting pitchers then - Ian Snell will probably be pretty expensive, and it's hard to guess what a bunch of twentysomething pitchers will be doing three years down the road, but Snell and Tom Gorzelanny are young and good now and we'll still have them later. Can the Pirates build a major-league offense around the crop of prospects we currently have in the minors?

My guess is no - scouts doubt Pearce, Delaney's already 24, Bixler is low-upside and McCutchen, Walker and Romak are question marks. But it's possible, and we're going to get a plum draft pick next year that could be used on a college hitter to complement the group we already have. So if I'm the GM, I'd like to see whether I should be playing for 2009, which seems to be the strategy we already have and which doesn't really seem to be working, or push the time frame back a year and wait for our offensive prospects.

So one thing I'd do is to promote Pearce and Delaney to Class AAA - they're already 24, so let's see what we've got. (UPDATE: The Bucs actually promoted Pearce today. Good for them.) We'll learn a lot about Pearce and Delaney by seeing how well they can adjust to Class AAA pitching. Then trade Jack Wilson if at all possible - whether the club is playing for 2009 or some point beyond, he's no help in either scenario - and let Bixler start at shortstop for the rest of the year. It's not about whether Bixler or Wilson would be better this year, it's about seeing what we have.

If Pearce, Delaney, and Bixler flopped, then I'd keep the 2009 free agent crowd and see what I could do with them. If Pearce and co. succeeded, I'd start looking to trade Xavier Nady, Adam LaRoche, Jason Bay and Freddy Sanchez in the offseason for players the Pirates can control for a few more years.

3. Wilson, Chris Duffy, Ronny Paulino and Jose Castillo should not be part of any plan beyond this year. Deal them, dump them, whatever - just don't start them.

Some OPSes:

Duffy .670
Paulino .644
Wilson .641
Castillo .599

That's so bad that the Pirates seriously need to ask themselves if they can find free talent that might be better. Fortunately, there are a couple of very easy fixes. First, Bixler can replace Wilson. Second, Russ Branyan or the newly-DFAed Morgan Ensberg can replace Castillo and Matt Kata. Or both can be added, which would give the Pirates a much better bench. Adding them both would cost very little. Both have career OPSes above .800, and Ensberg finished fourth in NL MVP balloting just two years ago. They're both flawed players, but they're so much better than what the Pirates already have.

4. In whatever scenario you choose, you just have to trade relievers right now. The Scott Linebrink deal shows that teams are willing to give up good talent to get relievers. Relievers are unreliable and you can't count on them to perform well for you one year in the future, much less two or three. The Pirates need to trade Damaso Marte, Shawn Chacon and Salomon Torres, and they need to do it now.

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Dump Littlefield and start over again
As dispiriting as that sounds, things are bad enough now that its the best and shortest path to take to get back to respectability.

by steve_z on Jul 29, 2007 7:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade them all
This team might be a .500+ club by 2009, assuming the young rotation continues to develop.  But it is unlikely that we will compete for any championships before our hitters become free agents.  I would go with the strategy of trading our upper-twenties guys (Bay, LaRoche, Nady, Sanchez) for Double-A and Triple-A talent.  By 2009 or 2010, those new guys will be coming up along with Walker, McCutchen, Pearce, etc.  Of course, I am very nervous that the Pirates would screw those trades up and get nothing in return.

And yes yes yes, trade the relievers.  All of them.

by WTNY on Jul 29, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously....
...the first thing I'd tell a new GM (I'm closing my eyes, and repeating "There will be a new GM next season" over and over) is to trade almost every player on the roster with any value whatsoever.  Keep Gorzy, Capps (maybe), and LaRoche (really maybe), trade everybody else.  Fortify the surprising prospects with more and more prospects.  Even with the unexpected success of guys like Delaney, this organization is just not stocked with nearly enough talent to lead to success for a small-market team.

by Bill C. on Jul 29, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the plan
but you can't trade all your starters for AA and AAA talent AND still develop that talent in the minors.  We wouldn't have any major league players.

by The New Guy on Jul 30, 2007 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right...
...honestly, that wouldn't worry me on the offensive side of the ball...probably because an offense of decent rookie prospects couldn't possibly be any worse or more impatient than the current offense.  On the pitching side of things, though, you'd have to be more careful.  Going from the "don't trade at lowest trade value" type of things, obviously Duke would be kept.  Honestly, if you could keep Duke, Maholm, and Gorzy and produce a couple righties from the trades, then things wouldn't be quite as scary.  

Overall, though, I just do not trust the level of talent in this organization, and being that Snell will literally go insane with another year or two of losing, I do think it'd be worth it to look into trading him for max return even though he's one of my favorites.  If making a ton of trades results in a 50-112 season or something because rookies are in over their heads, I'm okay with it as long as there's a future with actual potential (though you obviously don't want to ruin prospects by moving them too fast...a nice balancing act there).  Doing some serious losing for a year or two while developing guys with honest-to-god talent is more attractive to me than another five seasons of 90 losses.

by Bill C. on Jul 30, 2007 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Draft picks
I just don't think we should count on first round draft picks helping, even if it is a "plum" position like we will have next year.

If Littlefield is canned by Joe CEO, then we'll talk about that possibility.

by hisjazziness on Jul 29, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As long as the current crop
of pinheads running the organization is in place, I don`t see how a bunch of trades of people on the MLB roster makes much sense.
Let them start another dump of veterans and see the dump taken on the loyal fans once again.
As far as the high draft pick in next year`s draft goes, the scouting staff is undoubtedly scouring their reports for Mr. Middle Relief Signability. They believe they already have Grabow`s replacement in Moskos for sometime in 2008. Next up they will look for a right-handed "Tony Kuwata" for the 2009 season.  

by patthatt on Jul 30, 2007 12:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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