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Milwaukee vs. Pittsburgh, 3 July 2007

4:05 PM, FSNP, WPGB (Note the weird start time for this one.) Here's the box. I'll be in the comments.

Chris Capuano (5-5, 4.35) vs. Shane Youman (0-0). Capuano is returning from a stint on the DL with a strained groin. Youman, meanwhile, is returning to the majors for the first time this year, starting in place of the injured Zach Duke. Youman didn't exactly blow away the competition in the International League, putting up a 4.70 ERA in 82.1 innings, but he's back anyway because Tony Armas and B.P. Chacon flopped in the rotation, Bryan Bullington got hurt, and Sean Burnett has been even worse than Youman.

Beyond all that, it's been a bad 24 hours for the Pirates. Not only did Masumi Kuwata get smoked in a 10-3 loss last night, but now Salomon Torres has demanded a trade. This development completely took me by surprise; you kind of have to read the article to understand it.

Basically, Torres says that Dave Littlefield promised to consider renting one of Torres' Dominican baseball academies and, in exchange, Torres agreed to sign a "hometown discount" contract. Then, after Torres agreed to a $6.5 million deal that carried him through 2008, he claims that Littlefield didn't seriously consider renting the academy. Then when Torres complained, he says that the Pirates responded by giving him an artificially long rehab schedule that could keep him out of the majors until the end of this month.

Who knows what's actually happening here, but Torres has a reputation as a good guy. This seems like some pretty shady business by the Pirates - they're taking advantage / 'taking advantage' of a guy who trusted his team and didn't use an agent when negotiating his contract.

The reason that second "taking advantage" is in scare quotes is that the Torres contract wasn't a very good one! Assuming Torres' story is on the level - and I bet it is - Littlefield just lied to Torres in order to get him to take a discounted contract, and then wound up signing Torres to a contract that didn't even really help the team.

Look at what I wrote about the contract at the time. Even though the deal was signed before the 2006 season, 2007 is effectively its first year, because the Pirates already had Torres signed for 2006. So the market value of Torres' contract wasn't really the issue - Torres wasn't on the market at the time. Relievers are notoriously unreliable, and Torres was well into his 30s. The chances at the time that he would be a good player in 2007 and 2008 were relatively small. And look what's happened - the Pirates have received very little for their investment so far, as Torres been ineffective or hurt the entire season. How perfectly Pirates is it to scam a player into signing a deal that isn't even very good for the team?

More bad news for the Bucs: Zach Duke doesn't trust the Pirates' doctors' opinion that there's no ligament damage in his left elbow, and he's getting a second opinion from James Andrews. Ouch. It's hard to not suspect that this is related to the Torres story - it might be yet another tale of Pirates officials bumbling, lying and cutting corners. Obviously, though, we'll know more once Duke gets his diagnosis back from Andrews. Here's hoping the Pirates were right for once. By the way, anyone remember this preseason article (registration required) at Baseball Prospectus, which ranked Duke and the recently-injured Capuano as among the healthiest starters in the game? Just goes to show...

A couple other notes:

-P- Oliver Perez has hit the DL with a sore back. It doesn't sound terribly serious. Perez has a 3.14 ERA this year.

-P- Roger Clemens won his 350th game last night against the Twins.

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when it rains it pours
so in the last 3 days:
  • the fans staged a protest and whatever view you have of it, it's mere existence indicates at least a part of the fan base is very unsettled
  • two of the "franchise" players (duke, torres) have publicly criticized the team's handling of their injuries (as has burnett) and/or contracts (and though silent, i bet snell and gorzo just love making 10% of tony armas' salary).
  • oh yeah and the team is 1-2 after being embarassed last night by a far superior team from a similar market in the first game of what's been billed as a "crucial" week of games. a crucial week of games for a team 13 games out of first before the all star break? what a joke.

so who has beef with the pirates next? the umps? the organ player? that bald stadium vendor that's at every pittsburgh sports event?

i'm going to declare that we've officially reached the point of the season where everyone - including those in the organization - starts to abandon the sinking (pirate) ship.

by johnnycuff on Jul 3, 2007 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jesus,
I hate this f*cking organization. It gets more embarrassing, more hopeless by the day.

- jb

by richaude on Jul 3, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Youman throwing 87
Very slow fastballs. Corey Hart leads off the first with a double.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Craig Counsell
Heh. I've missed that wacky stance. He's subbing for J.J. Hardy, who's a late scratch.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Braun
knocks in Hart. 1-0.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What?
That looked like a Bucco mishap

by The New Guy on Jul 3, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's true.
If a Brewer infielder does that, I'm totally confused; if a Pirates infielder had done it, I'd have been like, "Yep."

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What??
How did Rajai Davis get a single on that ball?!

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In the book
its a line drive into right center

by The New Guy on Jul 3, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love
what Ned Yost recently said about Ryan Braun:
"I've seen it before," Yost said. "When Chipper Jones came up, Bobby [Cox, the Braves manager] threw him in that great lineup right in the three-spot as a rookie. You look at Ryan, there's no way Ryan can't hit. He's just really good. Why not throw him in the lineup and let him go?"

I don't mean to disparage Ned Yost, but it must be easy to make these sorts of decisions.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 4:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Phew
LaRoche grabs Counsell's liner. Bullet dodged.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
Triple for Nady as Hart has trouble reading a ball off the wall.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 4:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh
Paulino, what a waste of time you are.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 4:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Youman
at least took his hacks i guess

by The New Guy on Jul 3, 2007 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow,
Fielder just went ballistic on a gatorade cooler. That's going to be on SportsCenter.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 4:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Braun
steals second as Paulino can't get the ball from his glove hand to his throwing hand. No matter, probably; it looked like he had a really good jump.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 4:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Youman
has 60 pitches through three innings. He's maybe got two more left in him. It's going to be a long afternoon for the bullpen.

Rajai Davis in to second on a Texas Leaguer that Hart couldn't handle.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Man
Huge break on that muffed grounder and Davis (in the majors solely because he can run, of course) doesn't see Cox windmilling like crazy.

by matskralc on Jul 3, 2007 5:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow,
Some really bad fielding by the Brewers. Bases loaded as Ryan Braun misplays a grounder, and Davis doesn't see Jeff Cox trying to wave him around.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 5:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LaRoche strikes out
Man, watch Capuano strike out the side or something.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 5:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice pick by Fielder
Man, Rickie Weeks almost made another error there. It's like the Brewers infielders have some kind of perverse competition going. 1-1 as Davis comes home on Bay's grounder.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 5:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I really can't believe this
The Brewers are doing absolutely everything in their power to turn this into a big inning for us, and so far we've got one run to show for it. This had better turn into something more.

by matskralc on Jul 3, 2007 5:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pathetic.
Absolutely pathetic.

by matskralc on Jul 3, 2007 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.
I really hate Paulino.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Pirates...
don't score at least three runs or so in this inning, it'll be amazing even for them.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 5:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Solo jack by Mench
I cannot believe the Brewers are winning this game.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gallardo warming up in bullpen
Weird... I thought the Brewers were going to keep him in the rotation.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 5:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My boy!
Ties the game!

by matskralc on Jul 3, 2007 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Which reminds me
During the protest game, there was a large group of college-age guys a couple sections over who would start chanting "BAU-TI-STA!" every time he came to the plate. Warmed my heart and brought a smile to my face, I tell ya!

by matskralc on Jul 3, 2007 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
He's been good recently.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tie game
RBI single by Bautista.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bob Walk
"I don't know what was going on there...shortstop, like the centerfielder, trumps everybody if he's calling it."

[FSN rolls video of Wilson, Wilson's lips aren't moving]

"Well, now I understand why that happened."

by matskralc on Jul 3, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why?
So the Pirates/FSN are asking Masumi Kuwata what he likes to do in his free time, and he says he likes to watch movies. They then ask if he likes to watch Godzilla. Why would they ask that? Is there some backstory I'm unaware of, or are they this close to putting a tattoo on his head that says "Look! I'm Japanese!"

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 5:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it's a pun?
Kuwata used to be a teammate of Hideki "Godzilla" Matsui.

by Vlad on Jul 3, 2007 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wondered about that.
If it was a pun, it was a very awkward one.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There they go again
First, Hall goes all Paulino on that fly ball and gives up on it, then drops it trying to throw it in. Does anybody actually want to win this game?

by matskralc on Jul 3, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea
what Hall was thinking there... did he think Hart was going to get to it?

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW
Can't even get the force at second on a terrible bunt. This game is just unreal.

by matskralc on Jul 3, 2007 5:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Now it's Gallardo's turn to screw up. What a terrible, horrible game for the Brewers.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 5:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nifty catch by Hart
He's pretty athletic for such a big guy.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 5:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn
My Boy laid off the one low-and-away pitch, but the last one there wasn't quite away enough. :-(

by matskralc on Jul 3, 2007 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Youman
I've got to give him some credit. He's made it through six and only walked one guy.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 6:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hall slides trying to field LaRoche's double
Sanchez comes home. Really, not a good day for Bill Hall.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So...
...who are we playing today, and what did they do with the real Milwaukee Brewers?

by matskralc on Jul 3, 2007 6:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wilson gets to third
after a long fly ball bounces off Kevin Mench's glove. Is there any Brewer fielder who hasn't had a serious screwup yet? Fielder, maybe?

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 6:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Marte
looks great out there.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 6:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Matt Kata
flies out in his first Pirate at bat.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 6:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Double by Estrada
Capps starting to warm up.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did I hear Walk correctly?
Chacon just zipped a 95 MPH fastball in there? Did I just mishear "85"?

by matskralc on Jul 3, 2007 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.
It was 95. It was the kind where Chacon obviously is throwing as hard as he can without regard for where the pitch is going, and you're not sure why the batter ever swings. But yeah, he threw it that hard.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
Not a great game by any stretch, but I'll take it.

by Charlie on Jul 3, 2007 6:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sean Burnett
Burnett only pitched 1 inning tonight, batted in the top of the 2nd, a sacrifice, then was replaced by Jesse Chavez in the bottom of the second.

1 IP, 3H, 3R, 3ER, 3BB, 2K, 33 pitches, only 16 strikes.

My wild assed guess is an injury, just a question of arm or leg.

by Thunder on Jul 3, 2007 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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