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Trade Deadline Open Thread: 30 July 2007

-P- The Braves are close to getting Mark Teixeira and reliever Ron Mahay from the Rangers in exchange for a package of young players that includes Jarrod Saltalamacchia, shortstop Elvis Andrus, and perhaps pitchers Matt Harrison and Neftali Feliz. This seems like a pretty good trade for both teams - the Braves weren't ever going to get the most out of Saltalamacchia, who's blocked by an even better young catcher in Brian McCann, but he's a potential star. (Weirdly, though, the Rangers already had two good catching prospects of their own, in Max Ramirez, who they just acquired from the Indians, and Taylor Teagarden, who just destroyed the Cal League before a recent promotion to Class AA.)

Andrus is a potential star too, but he's so young and so far from the majors that he could really turn into anything. Feliz is 19 and already in full-season ball, throwing in the high 90s. Harrison isn't having a great year, but he's already in Class AA at the age of 21.

The Braves had easily the worst OPS at first base of any team - they actually have a .633 OPS at first base, which is so spectacularly bad that it's almost 100 points worse that the Pirates in the year they had to cut Randall Simon - so putting Teixeira there improves them even more dramatically than it might seem at first glance.

-P- The Mets aren't interested in Shawn Chacon.

-P- One writer speculates that Jack Wilson could be headed to Detroit, although that doesn't seem likely.

-P- The Yankees are in the hunt for Damaso Marte. (Thanks to Pro Sports Daily.)

-P- This video of the Cubs celebrating an Aramis Ramirez homer isn't deadline-related, but you should watch it anyway. Thanks to my brother Sam for bringing it to my attention.

UPDATE: The Mets are close to acquiring Luis Castillo from the Twins for prospects Dustin Martin and Drew Butera. Only Martin is even a little bit interesting, and he's a 23-year-old in High-A. Nice trade for the Mets, who get a reasonably helpful player in Castillo.

-P- The Phils have acquired Kyle Lohse from the Reds for minor league pitcher Matt Maloney. Maloney has mostly looked good statistically, but he walks a few too many batters, has been a bit old for his levels and has mediocre stuff. Lohse has been surprisingly good this year, but has a pretty bad track record. This is a decent deal for both teams.

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Detroit supposedly IS looking for a backup shortstop, but from what I'd seen they were mostly interested in Clint Barmes.

I've heard that Ramirez isn't much of a defender, so it makes sense that the Rangers wouldn't worry about blocking him behind the plate. They might see him as a C-turned 1B/DH in the Fick/LeCroy mold.

by Vlad on Jul 30, 2007 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Mahay
Also, good to see Mahay off the market. We weren't going to send Marte to the Braves anyway, and now that's one fewer lefty out there to steal our leverage.

by Vlad on Jul 30, 2007 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've also heard rumblings...
that Gerald Laird might be sent to the Cubs in a package for Felix Pie. Still, that's a lot of catching depth.

Maybe they'll move Ramirez to third base.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 30, 2007 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish...
...we could get a piece of that action. Too bad Paulino was so effective at killing his trade value this year.

by Vlad on Jul 30, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.
Most people assume that bad-hitting catchers are good defenders, but what person who's seen Paulino could sell that line with a straight face?

by Vlad on Jul 30, 2007 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't there a stathead phrase for that?
So-and-so's Law or something?  The worse a catcher hits the better his defense is assumed to be.

by WTM on Jul 30, 2007 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think...
BP once called it "The Inverse Law of Catcher Defense," or something like that.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 30, 2007 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Developments
I know some rumors have had WMP coming here in a deal with Boston, but the latest word has him (and a minor league pitcher) going to the White Sox for Dye.

Also, the Phillies just picked up Kyle Lohse (for Matt Maloney). Maloney's pretty good; I don't know how Lohse keeps getting traded for snazzy prospects.

by Vlad on Jul 30, 2007 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Other deals/rumors
All from MLB Trade Rumor (which all seem to be from Ken Rosenthal)...
-Luis Castillo to the Mets for a AA catcher and a High A OF.
-Braves close to trading for Dotel.

The Braves getting Dotel would be huge, because with their unexpected entrance, the teams that were hot after Dotel still need a reliever.
Maybe the Pirates can help them out...
The Twins really didn't get a lot for Castillo...

"Wait till next year... again" Win Or Go Home

by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2007 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Not much there for the Twins
I would've thought they'd just hold Castillo if they couldn't get anything of value back.

by Vlad on Jul 30, 2007 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This just drives me nuts
Brian McCann is 23 and in his THIRD major-league season. Salty is 22 and in his first. And you mentioned Feliz (19) and Harrison (21 at AA).

See, this is what people SHOULD mean when they use the words "young" and "prospect" and "young prospect."

Much as he seems to swing a pretty good bat, these words were not meant to apply and should never be used with a guy like Steve Pearce (see a couple posts down), who is 24 and started the year in A ball. IF he sticks with the team out of camp next year, he'll be 25. When McCann is 25, he'll be in his fifth big-league season.

What is it the Braves have? I mean, they're the exact opposite of the Pirates, they finished first for almost a dacade and a half, they're the last people who should be getting serious high draft picks to wind up with players who hit the majors at 19 (Andruw) or 20 or 21 or 22. Yet they do it all the time, while we piss around with the likes of Brad Eldred and we still can't find a full-time job for Ryan Doumit.

by bucdaddy on Jul 30, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

In the Pirates' defense...
They have McCutchen in AA at 20 and Walker there at 21, and if the deal is as it's been reported, the Braves are trading away most of their best prospects.

Obviously, though, you're right. It's amazing how loaded the Braves always seem to be. And it may have been more than a decade since they've had draft picks as high as the ones we took McCutchen and Walker with, let alone the ones we took Bullington, Lincoln and Moskos with.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 30, 2007 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schuerholz
Don't get too worked up comparing the Braves' system to the Pirates'. They have maybe the greatest GM ever.

by wfflprince on Jul 30, 2007 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I knew that
I was just being rhetorical, sort of like asking if they'd sold their souls or something. Chipper and Francoeur came up very young too. The Braves get very young talent and they don't piss around with it. They seem to insist that the players show themselves ASAP, unlike a certain organization I follow that seems to have the stepladder philosophy that "it's best if he spends the full season in low-A ball, and the next one in high-A, and the next one in AA, and the next one in AAA, and by the time he's 26 he'll be damn good and ready to play for the big club."

by bucdaddy on Jul 30, 2007 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

"What is it the Braves have?"
A scouting and player development staff that doesn't suck.

by Vlad on Jul 30, 2007 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dotel
Again, from MLB Trade Rumor (via the Kansas City Star)... the deal will be Dotel for Kyle Davies, after the Teix deal is finalized.
"Wait till next year... again" Win Or Go Home

by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2007 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Detroit is in on Jack.
Backup for the rest of the year, then starting in the future as Guillen moves to 1B. The report's all over the place, papers in both cities.

Also, a slightly less reliable source indicates that we're asking the Yankees for Alan Horne in exchange for Marte, which is a pretty aggressive line to take. Looks like DL's in his usual form.

by Vlad on Jul 31, 2007 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

i hope the deal goes through
as much for jack's sake as for the pirates'.  if there's one player on our team that i'd like to see win a ring, it's jack.  he's been through a lot of crappy years here and has still managed to enjoy playing the game.

as for our end, come on, you know it will end up with us paying half his salary and getting another brian rogers.  good luck jack.  get out while you can.

by johnnycuff on Jul 31, 2007 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Horne
The Yanks weren't willing to give up Horne for Gagne... why would they give him up for Marte?
Come on DL
"Wait till next year... again" Win Or Go Home

by UtesFan89 on Jul 31, 2007 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gagne or Marte
There are a number of reasons I'd rather have Marte than Gagne, but most important to me is that Gagne's arm could explode at any minute, while Marte's never had any serius injury issues I can remember.  In fact I don't think he's been in the DL since he's been in Pittsburgh...

by bryanzane on Jul 31, 2007 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sean Casey
Come on home!

Second guess: Shelton

Third guess: Neifi Perez

Hey, we want major-league-ready talent in return!

by bucdaddy on Jul 31, 2007 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't speak too soon...
Word is that unless a reliever is included in the deal, the Pirates will receive "Not having to pay Jack's contract anymore" in return, and little more.

by SeanCollier on Jul 31, 2007 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That
is perfect, actually

by The New Guy on Jul 31, 2007 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Proctor/Betemit
According to MLB Trade Rumors (via Buster Olney), Wilson Betemit was just traded for Scott Proctor.
"Wait till next year... again" Win Or Go Home

by UtesFan89 on Jul 31, 2007 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

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