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Which is It?

Frank Coonelly in Sports Illustrated:

"I'm intent on making this club a winner,'' Coonelly, a former MLB bigwig, said in a recent interview with SI.com. "I do not intend to make it 16 or 17'' straight losing years.

Coonelly's brash stance implies that he has designs on a winning season as early as 2008, a high improbability according to competitors who size up the Pirates, who have the worst record in easily the lesser of the two leagues and have few reasons to believe a stark turnaround is in the offing.

Neal Huntington during the game tonight (and keep in mind this is a message board and I didn't hear this myself, but the poster who did is pretty reliable):

* Acquire sign and develop the best talent in order to have long term success. Acknowledges fans have heard this before. Believe they have the ability implement some great systems here....

* Will listen to a lot of decisions before making one. Decisions going forward may not be popular but they will be rational and logical.

Really doing what needs to be done takes guts, and the Pirates' struggles in the past six years have come in part because Dave Littlefield and Kevin McClatchy lacked that body part. Under Littlefield and McClatchy, the Pirates almost continually acted for the shortest of short terms, behaving like the Pirates were an 85-win ballclub on the brink of contention rather than the 67-win ballclub they were.

The best path to long-term success is forgetting about 2008 and building a real team here. That won't be popular, but it's what the Indians did, and it's what needs to be done here. If it seems to some fans that the Pirates have been doing that for a decade, that's because, ironically, the Littlefield Pirates never did that. He never built for the future, and the result was a team that could never get past the 75-win mark. They just weren't equpped to do so. The Littlefield Pirates were forever in denial. Acting like the Pirates are a few simple moves were contending didn't work for Littlefield, and it won't work for Coonelly and Huntington either.

This isn't to say that the Pirates shouldn't make 2008 the best they can given the circumstances, but that mostly just means combing the waiver wire, fixing the back of the roster, and trying to take advantage of minor transactions - getting the Josh Shortslefs and Matt Katas off the roster, and taking flyers on guys who might turn out to be the next Carlos Pena. With less than a week left in the season, the Pirates could still end the year with the majors' worst record, and given that they're in baseball's worst division, that probably makes them the worst team overall. This is a terrible team, and it's probably time to abandon hopes of contending in 2009. The best thing for Coonelly and Huntington to do is rebuild the organization from the ground up, and trade some of the team's more popular players in the process. That means accepting what the "rational" and "logical" among us already knew anyway - that the Pirates probably aren't going to have a winning record in 2008.

So which is it? Are we going to do the "rational," "logical" and unpopular thing, like Huntington suggests - and build the franchise for long-term success, for real this time? Or are we going to take Coonelly's route and try for a winning season next year? I'd love it if the Pirates could do both, but that'd be a magic trick that'd baffle Criss Angel.

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Why not both?  I don't want to get bogged down in who they could or should trade and what they can get, but why do we have to (try to) rebuild the system in one swell foop?

Also, I think you're reading a bit into Coonelly's comment.  Saying he's going to blow this mother up and start over might appeal to you and some others, but I doubt there's many people that really want to do it, let alone hear it.

And saying that, or anything to that effect would be stupid, from a negotiating standpoint.  Hanging a quickly handwritten For Sale sign around a player's neck won't draw good offers.

by azibuck on Sep 25, 2007 11:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't mean to suggest...
I was taking Coonelly at face value. What I meant to suggest is that I don't know who to take at face value.

Why not both? Well, I don't think the Bucs are going to finish above .500 without serious reinforcements, and since they've more or less said they won't raise payroll substantially next year, I don't see how they're going to do it without making trades that could hurt them in the long term.

by Charlie on Sep 25, 2007 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*Probably*
the worst team overall? I think it's automatic that if/when you finish last in the only six-team division in major North American professional sports, you are ipso facto the worst team in major North American professional sports.

by bucdaddy on Sep 25, 2007 11:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2008 should not be an issue
It needs to be blown up and reassembled.

by RichieHebner on Sep 26, 2007 8:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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